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2cnd chance · 08-03-2011, 08:07 PM

After what's been said I don't see more than 200 pounds removed from the 6Gen. A 5Gen with an LS7 is totally OK with me!!!

LOWDOWN · 08-04-2011, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

After what's been said I don't see more than 200 pounds removed from the 6Gen. A 5Gen with an LS7 is totally OK with me!!!

...and I doubt we'll see Gen-6 Camaros with over 500 hp...

A 3630 lb. Gen-6 (current weight of a BOSS) with 475 hp = the power-to-weight of a 3850 lb Gen-5 ZEE with 505 hp...

And remember, the BOSS tops out at only 444...

"Supervisor" vs. "CEO"!

EDIT:

In a "perfect world", we'd love to have a Camaro that weighed less...perhaps considerably...but we don't. And to remove significant weight while maintaining total structural integrity/crash-ability would CO$T...LOT$! And paying Corvette GS money for a ZEE likely inhibits its potential marketability...and viability.

Less weight would allow for less weighty driveline components, potentially (smaller brakes, less strenuous axles and tranny [engine-dependant of course]), which would further reduce weights...potentially.

At least in the case of a 500+ hp ZEE, that extra initial driveline weight addition is "low" weight and, with forged wheels and lighter weight tires (and, perhaps, a lil c/f here 'n there...), will not adversely affect unsprung weight, greatly. And low weight assists in achieving a lower center-of-gravity, a further assist in achieving better ride and handling.

Adding features like Sunroofs will exacerbate this. "High" weight will adversely affect cg. And add further weight to the Curb. Besides, while lapping your favorite road course, who runs with their roof open, anyway?!

thePill · 08-04-2011, 08:26 AM

Fbod has said himself that the Z28 nameplate would not be use unless the car was worthy (not exact quote). Everyone is dead set on a lightweight Camaro for the Z28 but as the model years pass, the standard SS is gaining weight. There was no comparison done of the 2011 and It is possible that there will be a 2012 comparison merely for the FE4 suspension. I had heard that that the Camaro put on some weight between 2010 and 2011 but nothing that bad however, the 2012 SS LS3 should come over 3900lbs with the camera and FE4 and other tweaks not found in the 2011. By the time the Z28 is ready, the Camaro SS LS3 will be close to 4000lbs... The chances of a worthy 5th Gen Z28 are growing slimmer by the model year.

If Grand Am were to enforce the production car rule on Chevrolet instead of granting them a waiver due to financial issues with the teams, then we may have heard of the Z28 instead of the ZL1 this year. As it was mentioned above, the ZL1 and Z28 should not have their hype tangled. It wouldn’t make sense to release the Z28 before they knew for sure that the ZL1 could handle the GT500. If the 2013 GT500 ends up besting the 2012 ZL1 and GM announces the Z28 after before being able to handle the GT500 would be bad business. And yes, it has to be 2013 vs. 2012, the 2012 GT500 will cease production in January 2012, the 2012 ZL1 should begin production in February 2012 and the improved 2013 GT500 will be released behind the ZL1 before the racing season starts…

There is the SSX but Number 3 himself said that he did not know the final weight of the vehicle. That means that it is either super secret or that it was not what GM was expecting and decided not to go public with the numbers (like convertible pre-orders). I find it hard to believe that someone as close to all things Camaro did not know the weight of the SSX. I think that they do know and it was not impressive enough to go forward…

Very few were as excited as I for a Z28, I even tried to design my own but now.... I have serious doubts that we will see a 5th Gen Z28…

Cam#7 · 08-04-2011, 08:54 AM

It'll certainly be interesting to see what the 2014 ATS coupe looks like on the Alpha platform.

LOWDOWN · 08-04-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cam#7

It'll certainly be interesting to see what the 2014 ATS coupe looks like on the Alpha platform.

I think a "95%" Alpha-based Camaro will be "interesting" as well...

95% size and 95% weight of the existing Zeta-based Gen-5...

Cam#7 · 08-04-2011, 01:39 PM

If this MotorTrend information is true, I think it'd be safe to say we'll see a 2014 Z-28 on the Alpha platform:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...med/index.html

LOWDOWN · 08-04-2011, 02:11 PM

Don't give up hope for a Gen-5 ZEE just yet...

Blizzard · 08-04-2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...and I doubt we'll see Gen-6 Camaros with over 500 hp...

A 3630 lb. Gen-6 (current weight of a BOSS) with 475 hp = the power-to-weight of a 3850 lb Gen-5 ZEE with 505 hp...

And remember, the BOSS tops out at only 444...

"Supervisor" vs. "CEO"!

EDIT:

In a "perfect world", we'd love to have a Camaro that weighed less...perhaps considerably...but we don't. And to remove significant weight while maintaining total structural integrity/crash-ability would CO$T...LOT$! And paying Corvette GS money for a ZEE likely inhibits its potential marketability...and viability.

Less weight would allow for less weighty driveline components, potentially (smaller brakes, less strenuous axles and tranny [engine-dependant of course]), which would further reduce weights...potentially.

At least in the case of a 500+ hp ZEE, that extra initial driveline weight addition is "low" weight and, with forged wheels and lighter weight tires (and, perhaps, a lil c/f here 'n there...), will not adversely affect unsprung weight, greatly. And low weight assists in achieving a lower center-of-gravity, a further assist in achieving better ride and handling.

Adding features like Sunroofs will exacerbate this. "High" weight will adversely affect cg. And add further weight to the Curb. Besides, while lapping your favorite road course, who runs with their roof open, anyway?!

winners on a victory lap

Blizzard · 08-04-2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cam#7

If this MotorTrend information is true, I think it'd be safe to say we'll see a 2014 Z-28 on the Alpha platform:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...med/index.html

Not true

*DGthe3* · 08-04-2011, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cam#7

If this MotorTrend information is true, I think it'd be safe to say we'll see a 2014 Z-28 on the Alpha platform:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...med/index.html

Yeah, if its true ... but from anything that I've seen, magazines are usually a bit optimistic when it comes to their guestimates.

truth411 · 08-05-2011, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cam#7

If this MotorTrend information is true, I think it'd be safe to say we'll see a 2014 Z-28 on the Alpha platform:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...med/index.html

No way in hell would gm release the 6 gen camaro after only 4 model years of the 5 th gen. Supposedly 2010-2013 for camaro5!!! LOL not happening.

2cnd chance · 08-05-2011, 07:04 PM

Especially as well as it's selling.

cosmobudman · 08-05-2011, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Z28RockStar

If not my name is pretty stupid haha!

Very nice rockstar.....funny enough to almost make me spit up my beer mid-drink while reading the post!

*DGthe3* · 08-06-2011, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truth411

No way in hell would gm release the 6 gen camaro after only 4 model years of the 5 th gen. Supposedly 2010-2013 for camaro5!!! LOL not happening.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Especially as well as it's selling.

It is possible (I don't think it will happen but ... ) GM has been accelerating its product cadence lately. Not too long ago, 8-10 years was a typical life cycle, they're now more like 5 or 6, even for popular models. So its not out of the realm of possibility for GM to redesign a car after only 4 model years. Plus, Camaro sales will drop off dramatically when the next generation of Mustang hits the streets

08-04-2011, 08:26 AM	#45
thePill Account Suspended Drives: '11 Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kaiserslauthern, Germany Posts: 1,268	Fbod has said himself that the Z28 nameplate would not be use unless the car was worthy (not exact quote). Everyone is dead set on a lightweight Camaro for the Z28 but as the model years pass, the standard SS is gaining weight. There was no comparison done of the 2011 and It is possible that there will be a 2012 comparison merely for the FE4 suspension. I had heard that that the Camaro put on some weight between 2010 and 2011 but nothing that bad however, the 2012 SS LS3 should come over 3900lbs with the camera and FE4 and other tweaks not found in the 2011. By the time the Z28 is ready, the Camaro SS LS3 will be close to 4000lbs... The chances of a worthy 5th Gen Z28 are growing slimmer by the model year. If Grand Am were to enforce the production car rule on Chevrolet instead of granting them a waiver due to financial issues with the teams, then we may have heard of the Z28 instead of the ZL1 this year. As it was mentioned above, the ZL1 and Z28 should not have their hype tangled. It wouldn’t make sense to release the Z28 before they knew for sure that the ZL1 could handle the GT500. If the 2013 GT500 ends up besting the 2012 ZL1 and GM announces the Z28 after before being able to handle the GT500 would be bad business. And yes, it has to be 2013 vs. 2012, the 2012 GT500 will cease production in January 2012, the 2012 ZL1 should begin production in February 2012 and the improved 2013 GT500 will be released behind the ZL1 before the racing season starts… There is the SSX but Number 3 himself said that he did not know the final weight of the vehicle. That means that it is either super secret or that it was not what GM was expecting and decided not to go public with the numbers (like convertible pre-orders). I find it hard to believe that someone as close to all things Camaro did not know the weight of the SSX. I think that they do know and it was not impressive enough to go forward… Very few were as excited as I for a Z28, I even tried to design my own but now.... I have serious doubts that we will see a 5th Gen Z28… Last edited by thePill; 08-04-2011 at 08:41 AM.

08-04-2011, 08:54 AM	#46
Cam#7 Drives: 2011 2LT IBM / SIM stripe 6M Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: STL Posts: 863	It'll certainly be interesting to see what the 2014 ATS coupe looks like on the Alpha platform. __________________

08-04-2011, 01:39 PM	#48
Cam#7 Drives: 2011 2LT IBM / SIM stripe 6M Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: STL Posts: 863	If this MotorTrend information is true, I think it'd be safe to say we'll see a 2014 Z-28 on the Alpha platform: http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...med/index.html __________________

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08-03-2011, 08:07 PM	#43
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	After what's been said I don't see more than 200 pounds removed from the 6Gen. A 5Gen with an LS7 is totally OK with me!!!

08-04-2011, 02:11 PM	#49
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Don't give up hope for a Gen-5 ZEE just yet...

08-05-2011, 07:04 PM	#54
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	Especially as well as it's selling.