LFX VARARAM intake

[BlackoutLFX]

Originally Posted by fsusmithc2

Ah yes, "ram air". I don't know where I saw this origionally, perhaps on C5 somewhere, but every time I hear the term "ram air" I think of this:

http://www.paladinmicro.com/documents/RamAirMyth.pdf

In other words, there's no such thing. The benefit to any of our cold air intakes is 1) cold air and 2) less restriction. No matter what you do, there's no ramming of any air going on unless you can manage to go really really fast.

Not saying the Vararam is no good, I'm sure it'll be great, just saying there's no such thing as ram air on cars.

Not sure I agree 100 on this....here is another thread talking about it.

http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/...ience-guy-here!

[Jason@JacFab]

Originally Posted by bionick

Awesome!! Basically, it won't work due to the MAF sensor and the radiator, correct? Or am I wrong?

The MAF sensor, the radiator cap, and potentially where it hooks up to the intake... I have already made some plastic MAF blocks that will fit the LFX MAF sensor.

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I have no clue how you will do this, but more power to ya! lol.

If you alter the intake shape much at all you'll change the characteristics. I religiously read the original vararam thread when it was released for the older V6 models and it was really surprising at how they said such a small change to the intake made a difference.

This may be true... It may or may not work well at all, but I figured, what the hell?

I tend to lean toward ram air being a myth.

[BlackoutLFX]

I think the way Pontiac branded/named the Ram Air system confuses people into thinking it is a fi system. I do know that it takes advantage of differences in atmospheric air pressure on different surfaces of the car's body. It doesn't ram air into the engine like a sc or t. I think the main reasons for gains in hp gain with these systems are, 1 cooler inlet charge temps, 2 straight shot to the tb. 3 fine tuning inlet charge. Regardless if these "ram air" systems really work...they are really really cool. My favorite ram air system was on the 70-1 ram air cars...had a vacuum ativated solenoid hook to a throttle blade type system in the shaker...It would pop open when you floored it, so freaking cool.

[911medic]

Vararam's marketing has not done them any favors with me (and others), touting "ram air" and some ridiculous HP claims.

However, I will admit that the LLT and V8 versions are on par performance-wise with the other top cai brands out there. If priced appropriately, I'm sure the LFX version will be a popular choice... That is IF it comes out.

[bionick]

For real they claim like 30+hp on the LLT lol.
From what I have read, the dyno doesn't show what the vararam can truly do while on the road so I wonder how they get these high numbers and why they claim it asides from more customers thinking "WHOAH 30 HP INCREASE". A lot of people just read the rated HP and buy it, for example throttle body spacers

[911medic]

Originally Posted by bionick

From what I have read, the dyno doesn't show what the vararam can truly do while on the road so I wonder how they get these high numbers and why they claim it asides from more customers thinking "WHOAH 30 HP INCREASE". A lot of people just read the rated HP and buy it, for example throttle body spacers

Yes I've seen a lot of "the dyno doesn't reflect the Vararam's capabilities" comments, and maybe they're true.

But why then in big red letters on the Camaro V8 product page does it say "on the dyno" after their HP claims?

This kind of contradictory statement is a big turn off as well.

Vararam has a loyal fan base here, so I'm sure the product works, or people wouldn't keep buying and recommending them. But no way you get a 10% HP increase, IMO.

[bionick]

Originally Posted by 911medic

Yes I've seen a lot of "the dyno doesn't reflect the Vararam's capabilities" comments, and maybe they're true.

But why then in big red letters on the Camaro V8 product page does it say "on the dyno" after their HP claims?

This kind of contradictory statement is a big turn off as well.

Vararam has a loyal fan base here, so I'm sure the product works, or people wouldn't keep buying and recommending them. But no way you get a 10% HP increase, IMO.

Yeah true.
It must be good though because I've never read a negative post about it so we will see

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by bionick

For real they claim like 30+hp on the LLT lol.
From what I have read, the dyno doesn't show what the vararam can truly do while on the road so I wonder how they get these high numbers and why they claim it asides from more customers thinking "WHOAH 30 HP INCREASE". A lot of people just read the rated HP and buy it, for example throttle body spacers

Originally Posted by 911medic

Yes I've seen a lot of "the dyno doesn't reflect the Vararam's capabilities" comments, and maybe they're true.

But why then in big red letters on the Camaro V8 product page does it say "on the dyno" after their HP claims?

This kind of contradictory statement is a big turn off as well.

Vararam has a loyal fan base here, so I'm sure the product works, or people wouldn't keep buying and recommending them. But no way you get a 10% HP increase, IMO.

I feel like the vararam CAN dyno well if done on a dyno with a good fan that pushes air into the system as it would on the road, b/c I've seen great dynos with the Vararam and not so great. In fact, I saw one dyno where it showed a 25HP gain after the unit was installed in back to back runs which was pretty damned amazing. Was it an accurate reading? Hell if I know.

I'll refer back to the old Vararam thread that many of you here likely didn't see, but they claimed they could alter the vararam to perform better on the dyno, or better on the street and so of course they went with the design they felt performed better on the street. They used some kind of equipment to monitor certain things will testing their units on the road and that is how they came up with the final design. What they did I can't really tell you any more.

All I know is it beats the heck out of stock, and it beat the heck out of my AirRaid system.

[dmginc]

the ram air i had on my WS6 i feel was functional, it was at least pulling air from outside the car rather then from the engine compartment. the ram air hoods for the 5th gen would be useless with stock and a lot of aftermarket intakes since they have covers on them. in the pic with the hood up you can see the air intake is right under the SLP lid.

[Jason@JacFab]

Just sent payment for this slightly messed up LLT VR intake...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...92&postcount=1

This is what brought on the sudden idea to attempt to mount it to the LFX. It was so cheap that if I failed... I'd be ok with it, because trying to make it work is half the fun. Fingers crossed that it shows up so I can take a crack at making it fit an LFX engine. If I feel it performs well, I will be taking it with me when I head up to the dyno to test a variety of different goodies (it could be one of 4 cold air intakes to be tested if it's worth a damn after modifying it)...

[bionick]

Originally Posted by RacnJsn95

Just sent payment for this slightly messed up LLT VR intake...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...92&postcount=1

This is what brought on the sudden idea to attempt to mount it to the LFX. It was so cheap that if I failed... I'd be ok with it, because trying to make it work is half the fun. Fingers crossed that it shows up so I can take a crack at making it fit an LFX engine. If I feel it performs well, I will be taking it with me when I head up to the dyno to test a variety of different goodies (it could be one of 4 cold air intakes to be tested if it's worth a damn after modifying it)...

Very nice! Keep us posted!

[djcfuzz]

Originally Posted by RacnJsn95

Just sent payment for this slightly messed up LLT VR intake...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...92&postcount=1

This is what brought on the sudden idea to attempt to mount it to the LFX. It was so cheap that if I failed... I'd be ok with it, because trying to make it work is half the fun. Fingers crossed that it shows up so I can take a crack at making it fit an LFX engine. If I feel it performs well, I will be taking it with me when I head up to the dyno to test a variety of different goodies (it could be one of 4 cold air intakes to be tested if it's worth a damn after modifying it)...

Sounds like a good project. Let us know.

[KILLA BEE]

Originally Posted by bionick

Haven't seen anything but like they said around February so keep an eye out on their website. You'd think they would be promoting it since it's already half way through January but who knows!

Agreeeeeeeeddd!!!!!!!!!

[911medic]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I feel like the vararam CAN dyno well if done on a dyno with a good fan that pushes air into the system as it would on the road, b/c I've seen great dynos with the Vararam and not so great. In fact, I saw one dyno where it showed a 25HP gain after the unit was installed in back to back runs which was pretty damned amazing. Was it an accurate reading? Hell if I know.

I'll refer back to the old Vararam thread that many of you here likely didn't see, but they claimed they could alter the vararam to perform better on the dyno, or better on the street and so of course they went with the design they felt performed better on the street. They used some kind of equipment to monitor certain things will testing their units on the road and that is how they came up with the final design. What they did I can't really tell you any more.

All I know is it beats the heck out of stock, and it beat the heck out of my AirRaid system.

Well, for sure the most important thing is that you're happy with it. If you're enjoying the product and don't feel you paid too much, then it was worth it.

There can be no arguing that!