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Old 05-17-2013, 09:25 AM   #26
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AXIS, has not been negative at all. Just because you've had a "few" cars doesn't make you an expert so please share the other comparisons from other sources. Your statements and your FB avitar pic does tell ALOT. Lmbo
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:46 AM   #27
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AXIS, has not been negative at all. Just because you've had a "few" cars doesn't make you an expert so please share the other comparisons from other sources. Your statements and your FB avitar pic does tell ALOT. Lmbo
glad you find it necessary to say im calling myself an expert not once did i say that . i can see that you and axis are picked from the same patch very classy to insult my picture also a very classy avitar pic you have ....
ill post the threads when i get home on my computer
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:16 PM   #28
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Fantabulous!
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:56 AM   #29
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I for one LOVE your avatar pic. Reminds me of the Chemistry major that helped out during lab. MMMM, the only fond memory I have of chemistry. Might have been why I took it twice. No, I just plain bomb it the first time, haha.
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An air intake system that helps your car breath easier will make your car more fun.

Unless you do testing of the intakes on the same car, in the same time frame, on the same dyno, with the same conditions, changing nothing on the car other than the intake, I wouldn't trust the numbers. If you use different cars, that changes the data.

With the testing, the commanded AFR should be the same to determine how the unit effects the final AFR. The fuel trims shouldnt factor into the test if they are stable. They shouldnt be plus XX on one test and minus XX on another test. That makes the data not reflect the same conditions for test.

Commanded timing and actual timing should remain close to the same at WOT for the test.

Weather conditions should be the close to the same.

IAT should be the close to the same to determine how much they rise during the run. If you pulling timing because of the IAT table on one test and none on another test, that's going to effect the final numbers.

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Old 05-18-2013, 05:29 AM   #31
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Dang, is this what it looks like when I'm arguing with Axis and Litle?!

As far as intakes are concerned, I could care less what any test says...to a certain degree. Tests can be manipulated. And I definitely disregard any other person's input on any of the major mods. Why? Because time and time again I have seen people merely state that whatever brand they particularly purchased is "the best hands down" while every other brand is total crap. Therefore, from what I have seen and from my experience in dealing with cars, I would recommend any CAI that seals itself off from the engine bay...even with the hood open. Some CAIs are designed to seal off when the hood is shut. They are ok...after all, it's not like you're driving around town with your hood open. But they aren't my cup of tea. Fenderwell CAIs are good because they are totally away from the engine bay. I did not go that route because I do not wanna feel the panic that comes up every time we have a rain storm and I approach a huge puddle.

So for me personally, the choice was between CAI and Vararam. I like CAI because it is sealed off from the engine and there is no way to draw in any water from large puddles...unless your car is submerged. I don't like it tho because it is the typical look with nothing that stands out from the typical crowd on first glance. And the placement of the box doesn't do it for me as far as available outside air. Vararam seems to be able to draw in the coldest possible air especially when the vehicle is moving. The only thing I dislike is that it can possibly draw in heat from the radiator. However, the heat shield that comes with it helps in that department I'm sure. So all said and Done, and I went with Vararam. Money isn't an issue for me, but the $100 cheaper price is always a plus. I even factored in that the Vararam might draw in water from rain or the car wash. But I have not had any issue in rain...and I simply shut the car off in the wash tunnel. So all in all, look over what you want, how much you wanna spend, and what advantages/disadvantages matter or not to you and go from there. Performance-wise, not one of them will benefit you over the other.
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Old 05-19-2013, 03:46 AM   #32
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An air intake system that helps your car breath easier will make your car more fun.

Unless you do testing of the intakes on the same car, in the same time frame, on the same dyno, with the same conditions, changing nothing on the car other than the intake, I wouldn't trust the numbers. If you use different cars, that changes the data.

With the testing, the commanded AFR should be the same to determine how the unit effects the final AFR. The fuel trims shouldnt factor into the test if they are stable. They shouldnt be plus XX on one test and minus XX on another test. That makes the data not reflect the same conditions for test.

Commanded timing and actual timing should remain close to the same at WOT for the test.

Weather conditions should be the close to the same.

IAT should be the close to the same to determine how much they rise during the run. If you pulling timing because of the IAT table on one test and none on another test, that's going to effect the final numbers.

Phil
Which is EXACTLY what the Jannetty test was. Same car, same day, baseline run, nothing changed but temp throughout the day and the intakes. Best of 3 runs after all temps were brought up to normal operating temp. Ambient, IAT, knock, AFR, and a few other data points were recorded. Oh, it was streamed live for all to watch.

As I've said numerous times, it's not the end all/be all of CAI tests but it's the best we have to date.
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:22 AM   #33
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My intake made my tires grip and my headlights brighter!! LOL
Lol I missed this! Aaaand it will increase your octane rating too in some apps lol
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:25 AM   #34
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Dang, is this what it looks like when I'm arguing with Axis and Litle?!

So for me personally, the choice was between CAI and Vararam. I like CAI because it is sealed off from the engine and there is no way to draw in any water from large puddles...unless your car is submerged. I don't like it tho because it is the typical look with nothing that stands out from the typical crowd on first glance. And the placement of the box doesn't do it for me as far as available outside air. Vararam seems to be able to draw in the coldest possible air especially when the vehicle is moving. The only thing I dislike is that it can possibly draw in heat from the radiator. However, the heat shield that comes with it helps in that department I'm sure. So all said and Done, and I went with Vararam. Money isn't an issue for me, but the $100 cheaper price is always a plus. I even factored in that the Vararam might draw in water from rain or the car wash. But I have not had any issue in rain...and I simply shut the car off in the wash tunnel. So all in all, look over what you want, how much you wanna spend, and what advantages/disadvantages matter or not to you and go from there. Performance-wise, not one of them will benefit you over the other.

Yea but your more fun, but you have a vararam now and I like you this [] much more LMBO!!! But if you repeat it I swear I'll deny it !
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:49 AM   #35
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What cold air intake should I put on my stock '12 ss L99? Not sure what brand. Which one worked for you?
I went with the ADM Race Cold Air. One of my reasons that helped in my decision was its seems as if most people are adding ADM's race scoop to their existing cold air to maximize performance so I figured why not buy the CAI that it was designed for? To me its a win win but that's just my opinion.
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Yea but your more fun, but you have a vararam now and I like you this [] much more LMBO!!! But if you repeat it I swear I'll deny it !
You just lost SEVERAL Ninja points.

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I went with the ADM Race Cold Air. One of my reasons that helped in my decision was its seems as if most people are adding ADM's race scoop to their existing cold air to maximize performance so I figured why not buy the CAI that it was designed for? To me its a win win but that's just my opinion.
ADM was the first to come up with the scoop but it works the same way with any CAI that's in the OEM location and has a open bottom. That means all of them except the OTR's and Airaid.
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I went with the ADM Race Cold Air. One of my reasons that helped in my decision was its seems as if most people are adding ADM's race scoop to their existing cold air to maximize performance so I figured why not buy the CAI that it was designed for? To me its a win win but that's just my opinion.
im also going with the adm scoop and cai there taking the k&n off my hands so why not i said
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