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Thank you GM!
I rented a camaro some time ago and my impressions were. Engine: Excellent. Brakes: Excellent. Handling: Good....but not Excellent. However, the ride quality was amazing. Compared to the cars I have it handled like a luxury car which was impressive. So naturally when they made changes to the suspension in 2012 I was going to get one of those, but now the 1LE package is available on the 2013's which seems exactly what I would want. Since this will be more DD and less track car (for now) I have to ask to make sure I'm making the right choice: Quote:
As for the transmission. Are the cooling and gearing changes all there is or has it been beefed in other ways? Any changes to the syncro's or other parts? I have also taken a look at the new final ratio and gear ratios and I am not a speed calculating expert, but here is what I got using this calculator. Can someone tell me if this is accurate or if I should go back to math class? http://www.apexgarage.com/tech/gear_ratios.shtml I used 27.8544 for the tire diameter, 6,600 for the rpm. So with the 3.45 Final and the transmission gearing listed for the SS I get max speeds of 1st: 53 mph 2nd: 77 mph 3rd: 111 mph 4th: 159 mph 5th: 189 mph 6th: 278 mph With the new 3.91 Final and the transmission gearing listed for the 1LE I get max speeds of 1st: 53 mph 2nd: 79 mph 3rd: 108mph 4th: 140 mph 5th: 189 mph 6th: 280 mph It looks like first gear comes out to exactly the same. Second gear is actually slightly taller on the 1LE, but very minimal (around 100 rpm) Third gear is a little shorter on the 1LE, but not much again (around 100 rpm) Now 4th gear is where you notice the shorter gearing of the 1LE. The overdrives are pretty much exactly the same as well so it looks like you can still sip fuel in granny mode. Very nice. It looks like this is still a great daily driver. Of course, that's if my calculations are correct??? My last impression of the rental camaro was that it was too damn quiet and refined, but I can see how some people might like that. I was going to solve that with an aftermarket exhaust, but maybe the dual mode exhaust on the 2013's will be exactly what I wanted stock! Last edited by cbass; 03-30-2012 at 12:11 AM. |
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03-30-2012, 12:20 AM | #604 |
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So they teased me with the SSX Concept and this is what they came up with? Who are they marketing this car to? I am sure I will see some around when the're available. I'll see them in Mall Parking lots on Saturday Night with the owner relaxed in a lawn chair next to it. If you are thinking of waiting to buy a 1LE to be able to take a Camaro out on the track, don't waste your time or money. Go buy a 2010 M6 SS, invest the difference in price up to 40K and you would eat this ILE for a lite bedtime snack.
I feel like a kid at christmas who opened his present to find a pair of freakin' sox!
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03-30-2012, 02:33 AM | #605 | |
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03-30-2012, 02:45 AM | #606 | |
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I also rented a Camaro 2SS a few months and was extremely happy with the ride quality (compared to my old Camaros and rides as well if not better than my DD). To somewhat answer your question about the ride quality with the 1LE option package, I remember Fbodfather stating it was "eye-squinting" as opposed to bone-jarring. If you're looking to use the Camaro as a DD, my recommendation would be to get the SS of your choice and then when you feel you are ready to begin your adventures on the track, you could trade it in for another SS w/1LE package. Good luck in your quest
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03-30-2012, 05:26 AM | #608 | |
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03-30-2012, 05:33 AM | #609 | |
BeckyD Rocks :-)
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03-30-2012, 05:35 AM | #610 |
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I guess with that kind of power, we're talking Funnycar dragsters with 2000+ HP
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03-30-2012, 05:38 AM | #611 |
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Yes! It's not MRC, already talked to Pete!
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03-30-2012, 08:20 AM | #612 |
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Just noticed something cool. If you take the 1LE and SS and combine them, you have 1LESS. Which means 1 Less as in 1 lb less than 3850. 3849 lbs.
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SS: 1st: 3.01 2nd: 2.07 3rd: 1.43 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.84 6th: 0.57 Final Drive Ratio: 3:45 1LE: 1st: 2.66 2nd: 1.78 3rd: 1.30 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.74 6th: 0.5 Final Drive Ratio: 3.91 Quote:
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As it stands right now the SS I drove was awesome for comfort both with the suspension and the seats. I know this is suppose to be a muscle car and all, but damn I liked it. I could take this thing cross country. I could give up some of that for better handling, which I thought was slightly lacking. I just want to know how much I am giving up. I am thinking that even with the improvement this thing will still be more comfortable than anything I have now. What is the major improvements to handling? Is it the tower brace and the thicker roll bars or is it more than that? Last edited by cbass; 03-30-2012 at 10:39 AM. |
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SS 1st gear: 3.01*3.45 = 10.38 2nd gear: 2.07 * 3.45 = 7.14 3rd gear: 1.43 * 3.45 = 4.93 4th gear: 1 * 3.45 = 3.45 5th gear: 0.84 * 3.45 = 2.898 6th gear: 0.57*3.45 = 1.97 1LE 1st gear: 2.66 *3.91 = 10.40 2nd gear: 1.78 * 3.91 = 6.96 3rd gear: 1.30 * 3.91 = 5.08 4th gear: 1 * 3.91 = 3.91 5th gear: 0.74 * 3.91 = 2.894 6th gear: 0.50*3.91 = 1.95 The gearing ends up nearly the same except for 4th gear will benefit noticeably from the 3.91 gears in the back, and to a lesser extent 3rd. I guess actually that makes sense as 3rd and 4th gear are geared a little bit lower than an SS, because you will probably spend most of the time on road course in those two gears... I can especially see the lower ratio helping out in 4th where you would likely be when blasting down a straight. The rest of the ratios remain the same (an nearly identical for 5th a 6th for cruising). I think I answered my own question, while I was writing. That is actually a pretty good way to improve the gearing where it matters most on the track (i.e. 3rd and 4th), and keep the rest the same for daily driving balance and MPG ratings while cruising. Good stuff, it all make sense to me now.
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