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Olddudesrule · 11-14-2017, 08:39 AM

Getting ready to pull the trigger on an LSA conversion, and am figuring my parts list (minus the ADM items). I would prefer to reuse my current RotoFab intake, and initially thought it would be just as simple as purchasing the ZL1 elbow from RotoFab. Have contacted them, and am getting a different answer. Anyone here reused their RotoFab SS intake with just an elbow change with an LSA install? Would love to save the hassle of buying a new CAI and selling the old.

pyroguy · 11-14-2017, 11:12 AM

I am facing the same dilemma when getting my LSA supercharger one day. Unfortunately Roto-fab says you need to do the E-Force upgrade which includes a new heat shield and everything. Like you I'd rather not spend the money again for a painted heat shield.

However, all of the above being said, I've seen someone reuse their SS Roto-fab intake. They cut their tube to fit and made it work. I'm not sure what the difference is between that and the E-Force upgrade, but it worked for him.

Olddudesrule · 11-14-2017, 12:59 PM

Well, got a call from Andy this morning, and as expected he is proactively working with RotoFab on some type of less costly solution for those of us who currently use and want to keep our RotoFab intakes. I appreciate both his and RotoFab's understanding and assistance with what is obviously important to some of their customers.

On a side note, ordered the SC and the Stage 2 kit this morning as well. Took more than a few months of weighing the pros and cons of spending a good chunk of change, but feel comfortable it's the right set up for my needs, and bought from the right company.....now just have to decide if I install, or have Cordes Performance do it

KTMracing09 · 11-14-2017, 08:15 PM

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503015

Olddudesrule · 11-14-2017, 09:25 PM

Thanks for the info. If I hadn't already made a deal with Andy, I would look into that. I like that shop, and have followed many of their build videos. Real pros.

Dirtdog · 11-17-2017, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Olddudesrule

Thanks for the info. If I hadn't already made a deal with Andy, I would look into that. I like that shop, and have followed many of their build videos. Real pros.

I should've mentioned this before when we talked. I highly recommend the 8 rib conversion. mine is still the 6 rib and Joe at Cordes said once I got 8 rib he can spin it up more and I should be close to 700+whp.

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Originally Posted by KTMracing09

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503015

I got my LSA conversion fixed up and improved at Cordes. Awesome guys. I bit it and just got a new rotofab intake after my ADM conversion
but...
I WANT THAT 5" intake!!!

Olddudesrule · 11-17-2017, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtdog

I should've mentioned this before when we talked. I highly recommend the 8 rib conversion. mine is still the 6 rib and Joe at Cordes said once I got 8 rib he can spin it up more and I should be close to 700+whp.

I got my LSA conversion fixed up and improved at Cordes. Awesome guys. I bit it and just got a new rotofab intake after my ADM conversion
but...
I WANT THAT 5" intake!!!

Thanks Dirtdog. I just talked to Joe this afternoon. He had a concern about the completeness of the ADM kit, but after we spoke, I think we're both confident in it. He mentioned an issue with how the ADM kit deals with the IAT readings, and his opinion was the wiring should be tapped into the MAF. You remember that being an issue for you? I know the IAT sensor is on the SC's lid. We also discussed the 6 rib, and for my purposes, right now, I'm happy with 550-575 at the wheels, so I don't think slip will be an issue. I did upgrade to the 2.75 pulley, but everything else is stock.

As far as the intake is concerned, Andy had a ZL1 intake drop shipped from RotoFab to my house, so I guess that will be the solution. I'll be sending my current intake to Andy for resale.

Dirtdog · 11-17-2017, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Olddudesrule

Thanks Dirtdog. I just talked to Joe this afternoon. He had a concern about the completeness of the ADM kit, but after we spoke, I think we're both confident in it. He mentioned an issue with how the ADM kit deals with the IAT readings, and his opinion was the wiring should be tapped into the MAF. You remember that being an issue for you? I know the IAT sensor is on the SC's lid. We also discussed the 6 rib, and for my purposes, right now, I'm happy with 550-575 at the wheels, so I don't think slip will be an issue. I did upgrade to the 2.75 pulley, but everything else is stock.

As far as the intake is concerned, Andy had a ZL1 intake drop shipped from RotoFab to my house, so I guess that will be the solution. I'll be sending my current intake to Andy for resale.

Joe's a smart guy. Yea I remember the issue. Not sure if it came about because of the kit or the shop. Either way, it's fixed and good to go
No need to rush. The fun comes from slowly getting faster ever year. I'm still not even used to my current setup and I've had it for almost a year!

Start saving for tires! You're gonna need em.

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KTMracing09 · 11-17-2017, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtdog

I should've mentioned this before when we talked. I highly recommend the 8 rib conversion. mine is still the 6 rib and Joe at Cordes said once I got 8 rib he can spin it up more and I should be close to 700+whp.

I got my LSA conversion fixed up and improved at Cordes. Awesome guys. I bit it and just got a new rotofab intake after my ADM conversion
but...
I WANT THAT 5" intake!!!

I trailered my car 3 1/2 hrs there to have them tune it. Their shop is amazing

Dirtdog · 11-17-2017, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KTMracing09

I trailered my car 3 1/2 hrs there to have them tune it. Their shop is amazing

Have you seen their new spot in Tempe? Fancy

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Olddudesrule · 11-18-2017, 10:20 AM

Yup, was there yesterday. Nice spot, tucked back in the back of an industrial park. I never saw the Mesa facility, so can't compare. Talked to another shop yesterday, J&R Performance in North Phoenix. More expensive, but seems to have a great reputation and I believe both owners are former GM techs. They also seem to lean more towards SC installs. Decisions......

ADM PERFORMANCE · 11-19-2017, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Olddudesrule

Thanks Dirtdog. I just talked to Joe this afternoon. He had a concern about the completeness of the ADM kit, but after we spoke, I think we're both confident in it. He mentioned an issue with how the ADM kit deals with the IAT readings, and his opinion was the wiring should be tapped into the MAF. You remember that being an issue for you? I know the IAT sensor is on the SC's lid. We also discussed the 6 rib, and for my purposes, right now, I'm happy with 550-575 at the wheels, so I don't think slip will be an issue. I did upgrade to the 2.75 pulley, but everything else is stock.

As far as the intake is concerned, Andy had a ZL1 intake drop shipped from RotoFab to my house, so I guess that will be the solution. I'll be sending my current intake to Andy for resale.

This is not a requirement but can be purchased:
https://lsa-conversion-store.myshopi...cation-harness

Olddudesrule · 11-20-2017, 01:19 PM

So using that harness would preclude me from having to change the pins on the current MAF sensor? Sorry for what may be a simple question, but while I'm a decent shadetree, electronics are my Achilles heel.....

Punisher_ATX · 11-21-2017, 05:28 PM

Ill be selling my LSA swap here soon if you're interested. TONS of upgrades.
low miles LSA blower solid coupler and rebuild snout
2.45 griptech upper with 10bolt hub
DMS brick reinforcement and -12 an coolant fittings
id850 zl1 pump and adm controller
JLT cold air and matching rotofab coolant tank
lingenfelter Heat Exchanger with fans and controller
Varimax coolant pump
all lines hoses cover bolts tensioner idler etc etc etc
car made 700rwhp thru a manual on 93 with no methanol
Looking for around $5000 shipped obo theres ALOT of high end parts here

11-14-2017, 08:39 AM	#1
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,766	LSA conversion/RotoFab question Getting ready to pull the trigger on an LSA conversion, and am figuring my parts list (minus the ADM items). I would prefer to reuse my current RotoFab intake, and initially thought it would be just as simple as purchasing the ZL1 elbow from RotoFab. Have contacted them, and am getting a different answer. Anyone here reused their RotoFab SS intake with just an elbow change with an LSA install? Would love to save the hassle of buying a new CAI and selling the old. __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.

11-14-2017, 11:12 AM	#2
pyroguy Started#gottalovethatblue Drives: ABM #831 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: TN Posts: 6,913 View My Garage	I am facing the same dilemma when getting my LSA supercharger one day. Unfortunately Roto-fab says you need to do the E-Force upgrade which includes a new heat shield and everything. Like you I'd rather not spend the money again for a painted heat shield. However, all of the above being said, I've seen someone reuse their SS Roto-fab intake. They cut their tube to fit and made it work. I'm not sure what the difference is between that and the E-Force upgrade, but it worked for him. __________________ '10 Camaro 2SS/RS \| Aqua Blue #831 of 3,903 \| Silver Stripes Check out my build thread

11-14-2017, 12:59 PM	#3
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,766	Well, got a call from Andy this morning, and as expected he is proactively working with RotoFab on some type of less costly solution for those of us who currently use and want to keep our RotoFab intakes. I appreciate both his and RotoFab's understanding and assistance with what is obviously important to some of their customers. On a side note, ordered the SC and the Stage 2 kit this morning as well. Took more than a few months of weighing the pros and cons of spending a good chunk of change, but feel comfortable it's the right set up for my needs, and bought from the right company.....now just have to decide if I install, or have Cordes Performance do it __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.

11-14-2017, 08:15 PM	#4
KTMracing09 Drives: 2SS/RS L99 ABM Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Mechanicsville, Maryland Posts: 227	http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503015 __________________ Rotofab CAI, 2" LT Headers/non catted, 3" Straight Pipe w/ X-Pipe, Elite Catch Can, GPI SS3 VVT, 9" 4000 Triple Disc, Yella Terra Ultralite Rocker Arms, MSD Super Conductor wires

11-14-2017, 09:25 PM	#5
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,766	Thanks for the info. If I hadn't already made a deal with Andy, I would look into that. I like that shop, and have followed many of their build videos. Real pros. __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.

11-18-2017, 10:20 AM	#11
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,766	Yup, was there yesterday. Nice spot, tucked back in the back of an industrial park. I never saw the Mesa facility, so can't compare. Talked to another shop yesterday, J&R Performance in North Phoenix. More expensive, but seems to have a great reputation and I believe both owners are former GM techs. They also seem to lean more towards SC installs. Decisions...... __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.

11-20-2017, 01:19 PM	#13
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,766	So using that harness would preclude me from having to change the pins on the current MAF sensor? Sorry for what may be a simple question, but while I'm a decent shadetree, electronics are my Achilles heel..... __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.

11-21-2017, 05:28 PM	#14
Punisher_ATX Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Austin Posts: 439	Ill be selling my LSA swap here soon if you're interested. TONS of upgrades. low miles LSA blower solid coupler and rebuild snout 2.45 griptech upper with 10bolt hub DMS brick reinforcement and -12 an coolant fittings id850 zl1 pump and adm controller JLT cold air and matching rotofab coolant tank lingenfelter Heat Exchanger with fans and controller Varimax coolant pump all lines hoses cover bolts tensioner idler etc etc etc car made 700rwhp thru a manual on 93 with no methanol Looking for around $5000 shipped obo theres ALOT of high end parts here