Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
JDP Motorsports
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction - V8

Forced Induction - V8 V8 Supercharger, turbo, nitrous discussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-12-2009, 02:00 PM   #1
nfamous209
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro z28
Join Date: May 2008
Location: patterson, ca
Posts: 413
Send a message via AIM to nfamous209 Send a message via Yahoo to nfamous209
Whipple 2.9L SC coming soon

Hey all, I contacted whipple a few days ago asking if they were going to make a S/C for the 2010 camaro and they said yes. they already have the manifold ready, they are working on the top s/c unit as its going to be unique to the camaro. its going to be a 2.9L this thing is gonna be a beast.

heres the e-mail i got from Dustin Whipple

"Eddie,

Yes, its based on our 2.9L supercharger and were currently working on it. Manifold is done, but were working on a integral upper half that will be very unique.

Thanks,

Dustin

Whipple Superchargers"
nfamous209 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 02:07 PM   #2
Crowley
Okie doke
 
Crowley's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 GT500
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: McKinney Texas
Posts: 3,770
Nice ... I can't wait to see numbers with this setup!

Crowley
__________________
Crowley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 02:13 PM   #3
nfamous209
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro z28
Join Date: May 2008
Location: patterson, ca
Posts: 413
Send a message via AIM to nfamous209 Send a message via Yahoo to nfamous209
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
Nice ... I can't wait to see numbers with this setup!

Crowley
me too i wish they had made a kit for my 02 but no dice, damn cowl. i would have loved at least a 2.3L under my hood.
nfamous209 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 02:15 PM   #4
jakemaxx
 
jakemaxx's Avatar
 
Drives: 1969 impala
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: stanwood, wa
Posts: 236
any body have a video of a simler sc on something does it have a good whine?
__________________
ordering 1SS, IOM, White Stripes, Sunroof, BA Sound System, RS Package, LS3 6M
:5thgenvert:
jakemaxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 02:24 PM   #5
nfamous209
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro z28
Join Date: May 2008
Location: patterson, ca
Posts: 413
Send a message via AIM to nfamous209 Send a message via Yahoo to nfamous209
look up the gt500.
nfamous209 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 02:27 PM   #6
Crowley
Okie doke
 
Crowley's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 GT500
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: McKinney Texas
Posts: 3,770
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakemaxx View Post
any body have a video of a simler sc on something does it have a good whine?
Typically the Whipple is a little quieter than the Kenne Bell. I'm sure KB will come out with a kit as well though

Crowley
__________________
Crowley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 02:32 PM   #7
jakemaxx
 
jakemaxx's Avatar
 
Drives: 1969 impala
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: stanwood, wa
Posts: 236
ok cool
__________________
ordering 1SS, IOM, White Stripes, Sunroof, BA Sound System, RS Package, LS3 6M
:5thgenvert:
jakemaxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 02:44 PM   #8
kdoske
Waiting For My 1SS/RS SIM
 
kdoske's Avatar
 
Drives: Sold My Lancer, now carless :/
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: louisiana
Posts: 950
shoudl be fun
__________________
Order# NJPW8K
1SS/RS SIM Black Interior
1100 (original order date): 04/16/09
2000 (dealer received allocation):
2500 (order preferenced):
3000 (accepted to production):
3300 (scheduled for prod):
3400 (broadcast):
3800 (produced):
4000/4B00 (available to ship/bayed):
4200 (shipped):
4300 (intermediate, may be multiple):
kdoske is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 02:58 PM   #9
jakemaxx
 
jakemaxx's Avatar
 
Drives: 1969 impala
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: stanwood, wa
Posts: 236
here is a kenny bell
__________________
ordering 1SS, IOM, White Stripes, Sunroof, BA Sound System, RS Package, LS3 6M
:5thgenvert:
jakemaxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 03:26 PM   #10
pharmd
Master of Medicine
 
pharmd's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 VW GTI, 2007 TBSS, 2002 Camaro
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Morehead, Kentucky
Posts: 781
The only issue with this and other big nasty blowers is to really take advantage you have to have a built short block...I mean why spend the "extra" $$ on a killer blower when you are only gonna tap 1/3 or 1/2 of its capability? I guess if your buying for the future expansion, and your gonna build a short block later that's OK, but alot of guys will never get around to it and end up selling the blower after blowing up the shortblock.

Should make for a nasty combo, just be careful pushing the boost.
__________________
pharmd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 09:14 AM   #11
nfamous209
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro z28
Join Date: May 2008
Location: patterson, ca
Posts: 413
Send a message via AIM to nfamous209 Send a message via Yahoo to nfamous209
i'd rather have a blower that i know is capable of more power then one that is maxed out cuz its to small. that way you can always plan for the future even if it doesnt pan out, u still know u have a blower capable of more.
nfamous209 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 09:18 AM   #12
BlownChevy

 
Drives: Depends on the day of the week.
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chatsworth, CA
Posts: 683
Quote:
Originally Posted by nfamous209 View Post
i'd rather have a blower that i know is capable of more power then one that is maxed out cuz its to small. that way you can always plan for the future even if it doesnt pan out, u still know u have a blower capable of more.
A supercharger is like allot like a turbo. A properly sized supercharger for the HP goal and motor size will ALWAYS be faster and quicker than a BIG supercharger that needs to spin up.
__________________
SuperChargers Online
818-518-9889


http://www.superchargersonline.com/
BlownChevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 11:47 AM   #13
Restroom
Screw it; buying a Vette
 
Restroom's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 Corvette C6 Coupe (A6)
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Denver
Posts: 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlownChevy View Post
a BIG supercharger that needs to spin up.
Uh, what?
Restroom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:13 PM   #14
SoloSK71
 
SoloSK71's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 499
and add to that custom colours!

http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/....asp?PageID=87

- SK
SoloSK71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:22 PM   #15
BlownChevy

 
Drives: Depends on the day of the week.
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chatsworth, CA
Posts: 683
Quote:
Originally Posted by Restroom View Post
Uh, what?
A supercharger that is not properly sized for the desired engine / power goals will not be as good as one that is properly sized. A larger supercharger will be lazy on the bottom end, you would need to spin it faster to get the tq down low.
__________________
SuperChargers Online
818-518-9889


http://www.superchargersonline.com/
BlownChevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:29 PM   #16
nfamous209
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro z28
Join Date: May 2008
Location: patterson, ca
Posts: 413
Send a message via AIM to nfamous209 Send a message via Yahoo to nfamous209
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlownChevy View Post
A supercharger is like allot like a turbo. A properly sized supercharger for the HP goal and motor size will ALWAYS be faster and quicker than a BIG supercharger that needs to spin up.
although true, but you look at a smaller engined gt500 guys that are pushing 700+whp, with just a s/c swap to a kb 2.8 and whipple 2.9 and 3.4 units. and thats with just an s/c swap no other bolt ons. and thats on a 5.4L engine, so i think a 6.2L will be able to support a 2.9L fairly easily. the question is, is how much power can the LS3 handle before it goes kaboom?
nfamous209 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:39 PM   #17
nfamous209
 
Drives: 2002 Camaro z28
Join Date: May 2008
Location: patterson, ca
Posts: 413
Send a message via AIM to nfamous209 Send a message via Yahoo to nfamous209


740whp at 17 psi.

nice tq curve there, doesnt look like that 5.4 struggles to spin the 2.9L s/c.
nfamous209 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:39 PM   #18
The_Stache
SoCal Race Team #13
 
The_Stache's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 1SS:RS:LS3:SW
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 1,716
The key to whipples is their low IAT, with most blowers as you get compressed you create heat and heat the charge. Whipples are known and proven to be one of the coldest charges/PSI that you can get. This is why GT mustangs can get up to 100+ above stock RWHP on the stock bottom ends. Its more than just PSI there are NUMEROUS other factors with boost.
__________________
A.K.A - Diarmadhi (old handle) - So much to do.. So little money
Owner : Fast-Stache Industries LLC
The_Stache is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:39 PM   #19
THE EVIL TW1N
Banned
 
Drives: 2003 Cobra Convertible
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: CA
Posts: 2,925
Quote:
Originally Posted by nfamous209 View Post
although true, but you look at a smaller engined gt500 guys that are pushing 700+whp, with just a s/c swap to a kb 2.8 and whipple 2.9 and 3.4 units. and thats with just an s/c swap no other bolt ons. and thats on a 5.4L engine, so i think a 6.2L will be able to support a 2.9L fairly easily. the question is, is how much power can the LS3 handle before it goes kaboom?
I think your reading into the displacement too much. When it comes to blown cars, displacement plays a much smaller role. There are guys with the 4.6's running stock long block 03/04 Cobra's pushing ~700 rwhp now with the newer larger blowers.
THE EVIL TW1N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:52 PM   #20
2010 2-Tone


 
2010 2-Tone's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 RY 2SS with Custom Stripes
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Jennings, La.
Posts: 2,287
Evil Twin or someone else with knowledge of s/c,
If you were going to put a s/c on the 6.2 and you were only going to add long tubes, cat back system, cai, and maybe a few other small bolt ons without going through the bottom end which s/c do you think best fits the LS3? How much rear wheel hp do you think it would add also?
2010 2-Tone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:54 PM   #21
Leo@GanleyChevrolet
 
Drives: 1998 Pontiac Trans Am
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 12
Wow I cannot wait to see the results with some of these. When I first looked under the hood of one of these I drooled over all of the under hood space for a big single turbo and the very little work it will take to mount a FMIC. Though I have always been a HUGE roots style blower fan, especially when Whipple and Kenne Bell get involved. Its great to see everyone jumping on the market to give some great big HP options for these cars.
Leo@GanleyChevrolet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 01:59 PM   #22
2010 2-Tone


 
2010 2-Tone's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 RY 2SS with Custom Stripes
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Jennings, La.
Posts: 2,287
I posted this question a few minutes ago and have another one.

Evil Twin or someone else with knowledge of s/c,
If you were going to put a s/c on the 6.2 and you were only going to add long tubes, cat back system, cai, and maybe a few other small bolt ons without going through the bottom end which s/c do you think best fits the LS3? How much rear wheel hp do you think it would add also?

The next is that some guys were saying that they wouldn't go with a gear change when the 3.90 gear was out if you raised your hp too much because all you have was a tire burner. Anyones thoughts on these 2 questions????
2010 2-Tone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 03:00 PM   #23
radz28
Petro-sexual
 
radz28's Avatar
 
Drives: Ultra-Grin
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Crapramento, Crapifornia
Posts: 13,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2010 2-Tone View Post
I posted this question a few minutes ago and have another one.

Evil Twin or someone else with knowledge of s/c,
If you were going to put a s/c on the 6.2 and you were only going to add long tubes, cat back system, cai, and maybe a few other small bolt ons without going through the bottom end which s/c do you think best fits the LS3? How much rear wheel hp do you think it would add also?

The next is that some guys were saying that they wouldn't go with a gear change when the 3.90 gear was out if you raised your hp too much because all you have was a tire burner. Anyones thoughts on these 2 questions????
IMVHO - you should have an understanding of what your expectations for the car are going to be. If you want to max' out what you have now, but leave room for expansion later, maybe a bigger SC (i.e. a 2300 vs. 1900) would be better so when you build-up the shortblock, you can turn-up the boost and have a lot of room to go. I've read the headroom for the 1900 is up to 800 horsepower though, so I think Brian's point is there's no need to put a 3-plus liter SC on a car that is only going to see boost lower than, say, 10 psi. I'm not speaking on his behalf, but I remember reading posts by him that they found their 1900 made like ~ 40 more horsepower than the 2300 in the same car at lower RPMs. The 2300 eventually passed the 1900 at higher engine speed. I'm sure that's what I remember reading. He can clarify better though. Anyways, it seems like the new TVS-superchargers are at least gaining ground with the popular twin-screw types, like Whipple and KB. I haven't seen any centrifugals yet and haven't had a chance to check for a few days, but they shouldn't behave much different than they have in the past. They have great power potential too and I'm sure we're going to be reading about them on these cars very soon.

I'm just suggesting to get a plan together based off of what you want. Some superchargers (Procharger comes to mind) need regular oil changes that require you to remove them from the car (I think the intervals are something like 6,000 miles); some SCs need to be tapped into the engine oil system for lubrication (like Vortechs in the past). I think the Magnusons don't need servicing until like 100,000 miles and the twin screws, like KB and Whipple, are probably the same. If you want to basically install it and forget it, maybe the centrifugals have something going against them because of regular service. You need to figure out what you expect and go from there.

For me, I'll be going with a Magnuson most likely. I've read the most about them and have seen nothing but great results. I know the twin screws are great too and will continue to look into them because just ask how much the Mustang guys like them.

As far as the gears, if you have the traction and drivetrain to put the power down without breaking, the higher the better (within reason) for the most part. With the mods' you're talking, you'll probably be close to 550+ RWHP and with 3.90s, the tires are probably going to spin if you even look cross-eyed at them. If you run around with drag radials, it won't be as bad, but that much power, regardless of 3.42s or 3.90s, is going to be tough to control on the street.

JMVHO.
__________________
"...What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy..." - fbodfather
radz28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 03:30 PM   #24
BlownChevy

 
Drives: Depends on the day of the week.
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chatsworth, CA
Posts: 683
Quote:
Originally Posted by nfamous209 View Post


740whp at 17 psi.

nice tq curve there, doesnt look like that 5.4 struggles to spin the 2.9L s/c.
I never said it would struggle to spin it. My point is at STREETABLE power and boost levels and smaller supercharger will ALWAYS be quicker and faster. The 2.3L (2300) supercharger is about the biggest blower I would run, and it is good for 950HP.
__________________
SuperChargers Online
818-518-9889


http://www.superchargersonline.com/
BlownChevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2009, 03:37 PM   #25
2010 2-Tone


 
2010 2-Tone's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 RY 2SS with Custom Stripes
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Jennings, La.
Posts: 2,287
Even will the guesstimated 550rwhp won't the T/C be a big help and keep the spinning under control and is it worth it to invest in the 3.90 gears? Do ya'll think you could stay in 3rd gear or would you think you would have to shift that extra time running the quarter? Would that extra shift be worth it if your were trying for a good time? I know the 3.90's over the 3.45's would feel much stronger but would it actually help the time in the 1/4?
2010 2-Tone is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Twin Screw for Camaro by Techco coming? Calimaro Forced Induction - V8 33 06-04-2009 11:07 PM
GM Totally Rocks!! CTF Cars Coming to Eufaula Alabama this Monday!! Scott@Bjorn3D 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 56 04-20-2009 08:04 PM
Additional Stripe Packages Coming Soon Rodrunner Cosmetics and Lighting Modification Discussions 27 02-13-2009 12:24 PM
ITS COMING ITS COMING Iroczlover USA - Northwest / Pacific Northwest 7 11-19-2008 02:50 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.