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a_Username · 02-28-2010, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleestack

That would be a wide margin to make Ford replace the 5.4L. Remember, Ford ALREADY has the 2.3L TVS Supercharger waiting in the wings to bolt onto the 5.4, complete with a Ford warrantied tune that would take the GT500 north of 650HP from the factory.

I just assumed Ford didn't have random parts in reserve just in case of a Z/28. Is this what is rumored that is supposed to be an answer to a Z/28, or is this just pulled from a Ford Racing Parts catalog that can be optioned on a current GT500?

Camaro68 · 02-28-2010, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

Traditionally, the SS and Z28 were both designed in the same performance range. The Z28 would have less displacement with similar power, less features, and a track-tuned suspension. The SS would have more street-oriented luxuries and demonstrate the newest technology.

The ZL1 was more of a supercar in contrast.

Now, GM doesn't have the same room in the lineup. Maybe we'll see a ZL1 Camaro someday, but for now, we have a Z28 to fill the GT500-fighter spot.

Well said

2SuperSport · 02-28-2010, 06:45 AM

correct me if am wrong but... all GM will need to do is slap some forced induction on the LS3 and wha-bam same price/preformance range as GT500.

camarolt76 · 02-28-2010, 06:55 AM

I view the market for the Z28 as mostly comprised of people who will not be scarred off by a few more dollars and or a few less mpg. This car should make a statement and the statement should say that the Camaro is the top dog.

If you want a Camaro with awesome HP, awesome price and good mpg you can always opt for the SS. I love mine!

Sleestack · 02-28-2010, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by a_Username

I just assumed Ford didn't have random parts in reserve just in case of a Z/28. Is this what is rumored that is supposed to be an answer to a Z/28, or is this just pulled from a Ford Racing Parts catalog that can be optioned on a current GT500?

It is a Ford Racing part (see below), and was the factory induction on the Ford-GT.

http://www.poweredbyford.com/store/i...ab5d3ec98e8398

Cobra_Commander · 02-28-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SuperSport

correct me if am wrong but... all GM will need to do is slap some forced induction on the LS3 and wha-bam same price/preformance range as GT500.

Maybe... But what about Gearing? Suspension? GM needs a track pack or a similiar version of the SVT Perf Pack for their Camaro ans Z28. When and if the Z28 does come out!

Riderover40 · 02-28-2010, 02:04 PM

My SS will beat the GT500 after it comes back from Livernois and that is only if "if" I can drive all that HP , should be close 575 RWHP , there is much more I can get from it if I open the engine for new heads , cam, etc !!!

flyby · 02-28-2010, 02:10 PM

price not being all that much of an object, I would go for all out power, but the styling must remain top notch.

flyby · 02-28-2010, 02:47 PM

After reading through this thread I wanted to put my two cents in (for what it is worth). First the "base" price of a GT500 is 46,725 with the HID lights the price goes up to $48,100. These numbers are not debatable since I just got them from the FORD website. A few things to remember is that the warranty on powertrain is only 50,000 miles not 100,000, the base price on a 2SS/RS is 35,995 which is 12,105 less.Just think of all the upgrades that can be done for that much money. This is the situation I was faced with when I decided what to buy. I chose the Camaro because the lower initial price allowed me to customize it to blow away a GT500 and still have plenty left. Just imagine what could be done from a factory standpoint with that amount of $$$$ to spend per unit. If GM just takes the stock SS platform, upgrades the suspension and drivetrain, makes a few cosmetic differences the car that rolls of the line would be awesome.

a_Username · 02-28-2010, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleestack

It is a Ford Racing part (see below), and was the factory induction on the Ford-GT.

http://www.poweredbyford.com/store/i...ab5d3ec98e8398

Ah, so your claim really has no support.

coolman · 02-28-2010, 07:26 PM

I think that anybody who thinks the Z/28 is going to be under $50k is going to be very disappointed. This will be a niche car not intended for the masses. So in order to make a profit on this low volume ride they are going to need to charge more. I love my 2010 GT500 and call me what you want for having it ,but this car has a lot more than just a motor that makes it great and so will the Z/28. These things come at a cost that to me is worth every penny. It means a lot more to me to have factory modded muscle that is unmolested and with full warranty. I don't really care what it cost as long as it lives up to the hype.

a_Username · 02-28-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by coolman

I think that anybody who thinks the Z/28 is going to be under $50k is going to be very disappointed. This will be a niche car not intended for the masses. So in order to make a profit on this low volume ride they are going to need to charge more. I love my 2010 GT500 and call me what you want for having it ,but this car has a lot more than just a motor that makes it great and so will the Z/28. These things come at a cost that to me is worth every penny. It means a lot more to me to have factory modded muscle that is unmolested and with full warranty. I don't really care what it cost as long as it lives up to the hype.

Yep. The way it's looking, it may even be priced over the base corvette.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 02-28-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by a_Username

Yep. The way it's looking, it may even be priced over the base corvette.

Not if they bump the base Corvette's price up.....just a thought.

IMHO, the Grand Sport (both in performance and price) is where the base C7 might start.

a_Username · 02-28-2010, 07:32 PM

Anyone know what the GT500 sales numbers are?

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02-28-2010, 06:55 AM	#60
camarolt76 2SS/RS Black/CGM Stripes Drives: 88 Iroc, 76 Camaro, 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hampton Roads Virginia Posts: 599 View My Garage	I view the market for the Z28 as mostly comprised of people who will not be scarred off by a few more dollars and or a few less mpg. This car should make a statement and the statement should say that the Camaro is the top dog. If you want a Camaro with awesome HP, awesome price and good mpg you can always opt for the SS. I love mine! __________________ 2SS/RS Black with CGM Rally Stripes (#8575) Built on 8th of May, Delivered 10 June 2009.

02-28-2010, 02:04 PM	#63
Riderover40 Drives: 2010 ABM Camaro 2SS LS3 w/RS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 648 View My Garage	beating the GT500 My SS will beat the GT500 after it comes back from Livernois and that is only if "if" I can drive all that HP , should be close 575 RWHP , there is much more I can get from it if I open the engine for new heads , cam, etc !!! __________________ Roto Fab CAI, Magnacharger MP2300, Kooks HO SS 1-7/8" LT's, Kook's Catted Connectors, Corsa SS Dual Rear Exit Cat-Back for A6 with Lasered Livernois Signature 4" Dual Wall Exit Pipes, Barton Short Throw. 546 RWHP 517 RWT This Car Rocks !! "Bring It On" GT-500

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02-28-2010, 07:26 PM	#67
coolman Guest Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: PA Posts: 4,812	I think that anybody who thinks the Z/28 is going to be under $50k is going to be very disappointed. This will be a niche car not intended for the masses. So in order to make a profit on this low volume ride they are going to need to charge more. I love my 2010 GT500 and call me what you want for having it ,but this car has a lot more than just a motor that makes it great and so will the Z/28. These things come at a cost that to me is worth every penny. It means a lot more to me to have factory modded muscle that is unmolested and with full warranty. I don't really care what it cost as long as it lives up to the hype.

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