05-04-2013, 08:00 PM | #29 |
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Well it's only natural that it gets lighter. Especially as they have a goal to reduce weight by at least 15%. Will it be lighter than the Mustang, likely not. But again, the cars are essentially equal now (and as they have been pretty much throughout history).
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05-05-2013, 02:18 PM | #30 | |
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The "track pack" you are referring to on the Mustang GT is just the Brembo brake package. So equipped, it puts the Mustang GT on the same compound, but slightly smaller PZero tires, and Brembos only on the front. It basically gives the GT nothing the SS does not have. And yet, a GT out-handles an SS by a significant .05g. The GT will run even with an M3 on a race trace...the SS won't. If anything, the GT should be at a handling disadvantage to the SS, since it is SRA vs IRS, but it is not. Why?...3900lbs. You are right that the 1LE will out-handle the GT, but since that puts you into Boss money, you can't really compare a 1LE to a GT. And the Boss pulls over 1g as well. I'll agree that the ZL1 is a much better handler than the GT500. GT500 has never been a track car like the ZL1 was specifically designed to be. It's meant to be more of a drag racer. That's why the Boss is faster than a GT500 on a road course. GT500 also has a serious weight problem of its own. I agree that the ZL1 is a beast that beats every version of the Mustang ever made. They basically took the Boss 302 philosophy of serious chassis upgrades to make it turn like nothing else, except they added about 150 more horsepower on top of it. Bottom line, the old saying "more power makes you faster on the straights, less weight makes you faster everywhere" will always be true.
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05-05-2013, 02:38 PM | #31 | |
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I've also had a chance to drive an ATS I think its driving characteristics would be perfect for the phony car segment. It feels relatively light on its feet and nimble without feeling small. In it, GM also (finally) has decent steering feel.
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05-05-2013, 09:46 PM | #32 | |
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On the other hand, the new 2014 CTS is on the Alpha LWB, and it weighs right around 3,650 lbs. I'd think a Camaro on the same chasis with the same V6 (not the turbo V6) could come in at under 3,600 lbs. That said, I'll be disappointed if the next V6 (if there IS a V6 version) weighs over 3,500 lbs.
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05-06-2013, 01:58 PM | #33 |
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You know, I never understood why anyone calls the Camaro fat. It's slightly heavier then the Mustang, and if the Mustang had an IRS I'm sure they would be very close in weight. Calling the Camaro ugly is just fanboism at it's worst, and pretty ignorant.
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05-06-2013, 03:02 PM | #34 | |
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The main problem is that the sidewalls are just too thick, and the ass looks huge. The slit windows adds to this fatty look. I think part of the reason why the ZL1 looks better is because the black rear diffusers and rocker panels makes it look slimmer and therefore sportier. Ever seen a fat swimmer/runner? Slim looks fast.
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05-06-2013, 03:18 PM | #35 |
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Camaro actually is a pretty damn big car. It's built off a full size sedan platform.
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05-06-2013, 05:40 PM | #36 |
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So camaro owners=bbw lovers?
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05-06-2013, 08:55 PM | #37 |
A Ferrari 458 weighs north of 3400 lbs, I'd be very surprised if the next Mustang in V8 configuration weighs less than 3500 lbs.
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