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Yeah, when I heard 40whp I was like wow, but heck 31whp is still pretty darn good.
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So I didn't miss anything. Yes the Cobalt is already boosted which means it will take to mods much better then the stock V6. If you want to argue the "well money isn't a factor" point then yes you can probably make the V6 faster in the end but man would it cost you. The cobalt is already quicker then the V6 stock for stock. Now throw on an UP and DP and tune the Cobalt and it will run circles around it. Don't forget that the Cobalt is like 600 lbs lighter too if not more. Overall HP # doesn't mean squat. It comes down to how well the car can use it to move weight. I would argue that with less then 3 grand you could make the Cobalt SS run with or beat the SS (stock). And as much as you would love to believe that you can get 40 Hp from and intake and exhaust with NO tune you are crazy. Do you know how restrictive that system would have had to have been? Now with a tune and for 93 octane I would believe it. I read that post and you have to realize that they people that posted that thread are vendors and are trying to sell their products. You can very easily alter dyno charts to make them look like whatever you like. Seen that before. Vendors love to do that. Haven't you ever seen what K&N claims you get from just a drop in filter? 15 RWHP pleaaaase. Take some of this with a grain of salt, especially from a vendor. I was in the tuning business. On a stock STI for example, the intake produces NEGATIVE HP unless tuned for. The MAF doesn't read the new g/s well enough and it bogs the car. Unless there is a really smart ECU that learns trims and timing that well, no car will be able to "use" that more in more out without telling it what to do with air/fuel etc. Im not trying to piss in anyone's popcorn here, it is just that i have been there and seen hundreds of cars on dynos and I know a little about this stuff. And what I don't get is if you are looking to mod the crap out of the V6 why are you even looking at the V6? It will cost you more and ruin your warrenty then just spending the extra few grand to get the SS |
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Several reasons really, The first being insurance... v8 insurance > v6 insurance, no matter what age you are. The second being, yes you could mod a v6 up to equal the price of a v8, but the mods would be done SLOWLY, and OVER TIME, so it still ends up being cheaper in the end, unless you have enough cash laying around to pay for the whole v8 car upfront, without having to deal with loans/financing/etc. Third, its always nice to get comments like "Wow, that's a six?" After running someone, or giving them a ride in your car, big power is EXPECTED from an 8, its always fun to surprise people with a six. I'm sure I've got more, and so do others, but you get the point. |
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My favorite is your third reason because it carries the underdog, or sleeper, factor. When a V6 punishes a V8, the V6 driver feels pretty good. V6s don't have to cost less than V8s. Nowadays, insurance companies go off of value more than cylinders. A Camaro SS may cost less to an insurer than a 350Z at release despite having a couple more horsepower-pumping cylinders under the hood. The Camaro LS will run with that same 350Z, and beating a stock one will be easy with just a few bolt-ons. Additionally, there's the fuel efficiency issue. 3-4 mpg isn't really that big of a deal for a lot of people, but every little bit helps. No one likes gas prices, and a V6 can go farther and get pushed harder with less expense. Moreover, there's the weight factor. The V6 weighs less. That's probably a favorite, especially since the same modifications will be added to V8s, but the V6 won't have too much trouble making up most of the difference in horsepower between the LS and the SS. With that difference, a tuner can get a better horsepower-weight ratio. The LLT is exceptionally responsive to mods, so adding a lot of power without having the weight to match is a very real possibility. Let's not forget about the appearance factor. You can get a body kit for the difference in price, and that body kit may not get factored into insurance or other costs in the same way that the stock design does. That, of course, is up to the insurance company. Basically, the Camaro LS is just as justifiable as the Camaro SS. It represents a remarkable performance in the area of V6 motors, and it will shame so many V8s. Enthusiasts shouldn't shy away because it lacks 2 cylinders. The Camaro LS is really a worthwhile buy.
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09-09-2008, 10:38 PM | #24 |
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If I were you I would choose the camaro over the cobalt... the cobalt is a dead duck.... resale value is going to suck...outdated body style... boring interior... I know this because I own the sister car...an 08 pontiac g5 gt. im planning on getting a camaro v6 with the rs package. Another way to look at it tho too... from a safety standpoint, about six weeks ago, i had a girl hit me from the front end she ran a red light, It completly obliverated my G5s front end, i was going 25mph, so was she. $10,000 to fix too, its still in the shop. But the camaro is a lot bigger heavier, safer looking car to me than the old cobalt/g5 body. camaro will have MUCH better resale value too.
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Don't get me wrong if I could afford the Camaro SS, I'd probably get it. But I'm looking for something that will be a better alternative to the Cobalt SS that I'm driving, and hopefully a better alternative to the Cobalt SS Turbocharged that I was originally planning on getting. So keep in mind I'm still looking for something that is sporty, quick, fuel efficient, affordable, and isn't FWD preferably. Also still being a 2dr coupe, with some decent trunk space. I looked into possibly getting the Solstice Coupe GXP when it comes out next year, which fits that criteria but it's probably too small for my needs, so I had to scratch that off. The next car I was considering was a 350Z but the only 350Z I can afford would be the base model, which unfortunately doesn't come with jack, and would cost as much as a Camaro SS... So scratch that... Then I don't know why I thought of it sooner I thought about the Camaro... The Camaro LT w RS appearance package would basically fit all my criteria. RWD yes, sporty, hell yes, fuel efficient, the V6 would be, affordable, looks like it will be, and it's still a 2dr coupe which is what I'm looking for. And it's also a little bigger a 2+2 seater compared to the Solstice & 350Z that only have two seats. And with a little hope, I'd hope there would be some aftermarket potential with the V6 so that it would still be quick and fun, like my Cobalt SS is. In a nutshell that's why I'm considering the Camaro and a V6 one at that. Quote:
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Listen I know that the Camaro SS is going to have the most potential, and If I was looking at having the fastest car or something, well 1.) I'd look into something quicker like a Corvette 2.) I'm just looking for an alternative to what I'm driving, that will have some potential for mods, and will most importantly be something fun and enjoyable to drive. And I think I can find that with the Camaro LT...
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Thanks for the replies! Good to see there are other people out there wanting the Camaro LT w RS package like me!
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as much as I LOVE to have a SS with the V8 I have to admit the V6 with 300hp stock is more than enough for me. that and the better MPG C/H. I plan on getting a LT coupe in either Cyber Gray or the dark red (black hood and rear deck stripes if I get the red) and I am SO getting those 3rd generation IROC looking 18" alloys, the 20's on the RS trim package are just a bit too much for me.
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yeah, despite what I threw quickly on to my sig, I haven't even really thought about a color for the Camaro... I drive a black SS/SC right now, and while it looks bad-ass in black, (it's also my 2nd black car), black is def the hardest of the colors to maintain... And I'm sorta wanting something other than black for my third car... Not sure yet... I know with the Solstice Coupe GXP, & Cobalt SS/TC I was planning on getting them in white and then powdercoating the stock rims black. I think white with black rims on a car looks pretty sweet, and you don't see too many like that on the road... (I don't at least) I'm not sure how I feel about the Camaro in white however, from what spy pics I've seen it but just like the Solstice, I think the Camaro will look good in any color. I also really like Orange, and would get that with black stripes, but I'm thinking I'm going to end up with more speeding tickets if I opt for a color like that...
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