ZL1 suspension on 1LT

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

i get parts at cost too but i haven't checked the price. just told them to order it all. guess i get it for 100! ;-)

I am not doing the front though.

Its gonna cost me a little more because I've got a 2010. I've gotta change the lower control arms. Im changing the toe links for the new ZL1 toe links too.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

Its gonna cost me a little more because I've got a 2010. I've gotta change the lower control arms. Im changing the toe links for the new ZL1 toe links too.

well, i am sure it will still be worth it!

[ICTsccaCamaro]

True im waiting to do my zl1 toe links till I get my subframe bushing inserts so I can just do my alignment at one time

[Higgs Boson]

Well, my ZL1 rear sway is in. Bolted straight in, took me about 30 minutes or so. Definitely notice a difference.

BTW, it comes with the bushings and brackets installed already, no need to order them. Fortunately, they took them back. $102 for the bar with the hardware installed, not bad....

[ICTsccaCamaro]

Yep just got my bar in also and cames with brackets and bushings, damn gm catalog doesnt show the rear sway comes with anything but it dose so you only need rear bar #22786260 and both end links. anyone order the front yet to see if it comes with brackets and bushings also?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by ICTsccaCamaro

Some people just like factory upgrades vs. aftermarket parts. Big reason for me going factory zl1 is im getting all my parts at gm dealer cost so the upgrade is very little money compared to going aftermarket. Also most techs arnt ever going to notice a factory part on a car even if it wasnt factory installed like my zl1 sway bars on my 2lt car. this can hopfully help when i go in for warranty concerns, factory black parts are just a whole lot less noticeable than some bright RED aftermarket bars when at the dealership just gives them less of a reason to think you are abusing the car at a track or somewhere for warranty reasons.

Pedders RED bars have ZERO impact on your Chevrolet warranty. If any Chevrolet installed parts fail Chevrolet warranty will cover them. If any Pedders RED part fails Pedders will cover it. If the Dealer has any questions about this instruct them to call me or provide me with their number. I guarantee it will be worked out.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Pedders RED bars have ZERO impact on your Chevrolet warranty. If any Chevrolet installed parts fail Chevrolet warranty will cover them. If any Pedders RED part fails Pedders will cover it. If the Dealer has any questions about this instruct them to call me or provide me with their number. I guarantee it will be worked out.

He isn't talking about warranty on the sway bar. He is talking about bright red suspension components leading factory reps to conclusions about track time and the reason for a failed engine, trans, diff, hub, etc, etc. Grandma Smith doesn't install red sway bars and neither does Drive-it-to-work Tom." And yes, we can live under the protection of Magnusson Moss as well but the vehicle owner better have good attorney money to enact it.

I was a factory rep for 5 years before I did what I do now and you could call me all day long and I would not warranty sh*t. No soup for you!

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

He isn't talking about warranty on the sway bar. He is talking about bright red suspension components leading factory reps to conclusions about track time and the reason for a failed engine, trans, diff, hub, etc, etc. Grandma Smith doesn't install red sway bars and neither does Drive-it-to-work Tom." And yes, we can live under the protection of Magnusson Moss as well but the vehicle owner better have good attorney money to enact it.

I was a factory rep for 5 years before I did what I do now and you could call me all day long and I would not warranty sh*t. No soup for you!

I have never had the need to call a RZM about Pedders parts and GM warranty. I have had some RZMs call me for help. I helped the RZM resolve a GM warranty issue using Pedders parts. I have installed Pedders parts at the Milford Proving Grounds. I have a good relationship with GM and lose no sleep over potential warranty issues with Pedders parts on a GM vehicle and our clients have no need to either.

My name is Pete Basica. I own Pedders USA, LLC. I do not make arbitrary statements.

For five years you worked for what auto manufacturing company?
Who is your current employer?
What is your current position?

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

I have never had the need to call a RZM about Pedders parts and GM warranty. I have had some RZMs call me for help. I helped the RZM resolve a GM warranty issue using Pedders parts. I have installed Pedders parts at the Milford Proving Grounds. I have a good relationship with GM and lose no sleep over potential warranty issues with Pedders parts on a GM vehicle and our clients have no need to either.

My name is Pete Basica. I own Pedders USA, LLC. I do not make arbitrary statements.

For five years you worked for what auto manufacturing company?
Who is your current employer?
What is your current position?

Nissan North America.
Self, Three automotive dealerships. Family has 25 combined, of which will not be named since I am not a vendor nor asking anyone for any business, I am proud to say my three are completely independent of my family's both financially and managerially, in fact, I moved far away so I could do it myself.

Don't be mad Pete. I like seeing the Pedders banners when I watch V8 Supercars.

I never said anything bad about Pedders so no need to get upset. I see your product, your recommendations, your scientific approach to suspension improvements. I was only speaking from my perspective in a former state of employ. I am sure there are a lot of reps out there that would warranty things I would not. Being a performance enthusiast and over-modifier, myself, I completely understand what people do to and with their cars and while I am sure you have the highest integrity, which I am not calling into question, not all vehicle owners do. You really get to see the worst in people on the front lines. I even have friends that have tried to pull some interesting things over on the factory. It happens every day and your good intentions, while important and of heavy weight in the karma of the world, do not outweigh, unfortunately, the intentions of the people who are not you.

While you mean well, it is not fair to make blanket statements regarding warranty established by a corporation that is not yours (auto manuf) that "all warranties will be intact and covered, just call me." If you really mean that you will pay for repairs caused by your product (again, not saying there will be or ever has been), that is AWESOME and way cooler than saying Chevy warranty is unaffected by your aftermarket parts (but is affected by all others?).

If we were in person, I'd buy you a beer so you could see I mean you no harm.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

Nissan North America.
Self.
Three automotive dealerships.

Don't be mad Pete. I like seeing the Pedders banners when I watch V8 Supercars.

I never said anything bad about Pedders so no need to get upset. I see your product, your recommendations, your scientific approach to suspension improvements. I was only speaking from my perspective in a former state of employ. I am sure there are a lot of reps out there that would warranty things I would not. Being a performance enthusiast and over-modifier, myself, I completely understand what people do to and with their cars and while I am sure you have the highest integrity, which I am not calling into question, not all vehicle owners do. You really get to see the worst in people on the front lines. I even have friends that have tried to pull some interesting things over on the factory. It happens every day and your good intentions, while important and of heavy weight in the karma of the world, do not outweigh, unfortunately, the intentions of the people who are not you.

While you mean well, it is not fair to make blanket statements regarding warranty established by a corporation that is not yours (auto manuf) that "all warranties will be intact and covered, just call me." If you really mean that you will pay for repairs caused by your product, that is AWESOME and way cooler than saying Chevy warranty is unaffected by your aftermarket parts (but is affected by all others?).

That is exactly what our policy is. You can find the example I use all over this forum.

You have your brand new 5th Gen Pedderised with a Pace Car Package. A 1,000 mile later a ball joint fails. There is nothing that was done to your car that would cause a ball joint to fail in a 1,000 miles. The ball joint was defective and should be replaced by GM warranty. The ball joint fails at 10K same story. The ball joint fails at 35,990 we are in a gray area. The ball joint fails at 50K you are buying a ball joint. Your radio fails at 35,990 it is GM warranty. Your 2,500 mile old Pace Car equipped 5th gen engine blows at the Streets of Willows during a one hour track session you have no need to call GM or Pedders and you know it. You attend a HPDE and five minutes into the session the engine fails your GM warranty should be good to go.

There will always be gray areas. I and most of the Chevrolet service departments and employees expect to see a few tire boogers in the rear wheel wells. When the rear wheel wells look like they have been sprayed with a 1/4 of undercoating we are way past a gray area.

Put 305/30/19 RE-11s on the front of your 5th Gen and you can expect to replace ball joints sooner than you would have with OE wheels and tires. Put slicks on the back end you can expect to see failures with the shafts and diff. Put a Pace Car Package on a 5th Gen and you should see no out of the ordinary wear or failures. Put a Justice Package and a blower on with CTS-V brakes, 305/30/19s and a shoe behind the wheel...

If you have a problem with GM warranty call me and we will work it out. I have had this offer on the table for 6 years now with a wide range of companies and vehicles. If my memory is correct there have been three instances of warranty status that took some effort to resolve. One the OEM picked up. One that I split with the client. One the client absorbed because he felt so strongly the OE should have covered it he wouldn't take my money.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

That is exactly what our policy is.

If my memory is correct there have been three instances of warranty status that took some effort to resolve. One the OEM picked up. One that I split with the client. One the client absorbed because he felt so strongly the OE should have covered it he wouldn't take my money.

Two out of three were not covered by factory warranty.

But you are a great guy with a great business and product to step in and take care of the situation for your customers and that is what matters.

Here's to Pedders.



Back to factory parts discussion?

[JusticePete]

That is three warranty issues out of thousands of cars from Chrysler, Ford, GM and Subaru over six years. That translates into 99.999 no hassle no headache no complication for vehicles under OE warranty. Our new car dealers that Pedderise have been open with their RZMs and higher level executives. I don't mean to beat a dead horse yet want to make GM is well aware of what we do.