Suspension and adjustment coil overs (help)

[DallasMike]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

I personally did the development for the Pedders Supercars here in the USA. We had them in the market for about 15 months when, to be politically correct, 'similar' products began to appear. The same is true for the Xa range of product. I personally did the the development work starting with the measurements all the way through road testing. Our product was in the market for well over a year when 'similar' product began to appear.

When you lead in markets as Pedders has with late model American Muscle we have to take the position that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. You see it with sub-frame inserts. Pedders brought them to market and now there are other companies selling 'similar' product. You see it in matching sway bar diameters.

Pedders develops complete solutions that integrate into a system that delivers a result greater than the sum of the parts. That has been our hallmark. It is our hallmark. It will always be our hallmark. Combine that with a commitment to excellence in customer support through some of the best dealers in the aftermarket and you have a premium priced product that is a good value. Add in Pedders no hassle warranty and Pedders becomes a best buy. If it isn't bent, if it is on a street registered vehicle, you can call Pedders with your warranty item for two years -- even if you broke it on a race track.

In the end, none of that makes any difference. What does make a difference is proven performance. Pedders has done that on the road course and the drag strip. Pedders has been the partner of choice with GM for the Pace Cars that run on track at INDY and NASCAR. Pedders has literally dozens of products GMPP licensed for the Camaro and other GM products. Pedders is a proud partner of some of the finest names in the business including Richard Petty, Lingenfelter Performance Engineering and Saleen Performance Vehicles.

We do not claim to be as good as some other brand. We strive to be the best in the markets we choose to enter. Looking at our on track performance, our industry partners and our client satisfaction levels we belive we meet and exceed our client's expectations.

Pete,

You and I have stayed out of each others way now for over two years. While I would generally like to keep it that way there are some things you just aren't being honest about.

Here is a breif history about BC Racing. (http://www.bcec.com.tw/history/history.html)

For those who don't care to read through that, here are the facts. BC racing Introduced their coilovers in 2003. They also introduced the BR series in 2006. Concidently the XA line from Pedders was also released in 2006.

While I respect the work that you have put in on the Camaro we have to be honest here as well. The one and only reason why the R&D was not performed in Australia, like the GTO and G8 platforms, was simply the fact that the Camaro does not exist in AU. As we both know however, much of the R&D came over from the G8 platform.

Now let me be clear, I am not an engineer. Taking measurements and collecting road data, while immensely important, does not equate to parts being made. The guys in AU had to engineer the parts to fit the need as well as the guys at BC Racing.

Here's the facts about BC Racing. I too can have BC Racing private brand coil overs for me. All I have to do is send them the existing struts/shocks/springs of vehicle I would like to market and pay for my name to be placed on the box.

Finally with all do respect you did not answer the OP's question. He asked what the difference between the two coil over brands is.

The BC Racing Coilover has 30 click positive adjustable bound and rebound adjustment.
Both the BR and ER ship with 8kg front springs and 10kg rear springs.
BC Raing features height adjustability by screwing into the clevis thus eliminating spring rate changes during ride height adjustments.

TO ALL CAMARO ENTHUSIASTS:

At the end of the day you guys have to make a decision. I, like you (being an enthusiast first) had to make the same decision. Is the premium price worth it? There are literally hundreds of BC racing coil overs on GTO's/G8's/and Camaro's all over the United States. I ask that you do the research to try and find a dissatisfied GTO/G8/Camaro owner who has personally purchased the BC Brand.

As an enthusiast first, I put my trust in BC on both my twin turbo GTO and my 2ss/rs Camaro.

-Mike White

[DMSDesign]

Hello Mike,

I can tell you that Pete did a significant amount of R& D with the Camaro coil overs. I do not remember how many corrections and changes were made. But there were a lot. I can tell you the Pedders stuff works and works really well. Pete has backed up 100% his preformance claims and setups. But as you said, everyone needs to make their decisions



mike
dms

[DallasMike]

Originally Posted by DMSDesign

Hello Mike,

I can tell you that Pete did a significant amount of R& D with the Camaro coil overs. I do not remember how many corrections and changes were made. But there were a lot. I can tell you the Pedders stuff works and works really well. Pete has backed up 100% his preformance claims and setups. But as you said, everyone needs to make their decisions



mike
dms

Mike,

I am not trying to discount the work both you and Pete put into the brand. As you may or may not know I have the utmost respect for you and all of your technical ability.

The real issue is this. Countless times Pedders has been asked who makes the XA coil over on many different forums. The XA line has been out for nearly 5 years. So to not answer the question means one of two things.

Either you don't know or you don't want your customers to know.

I value honesty above all else when it comes to business. When a customer asks a direct question they deserve a direct answer.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by DallasMike

While I would generally like to keep it that way there are some things you just aren't being honest about.

I wish you great success in your new venture.

[qtr-camaro ss]

guys I did not ask this question to start a war between 2 vendors. I just wanted to know, because I was reading a lot about this. some people says this brand is better than the other one, honestly both of them looks the same to me. they look identical, thats why I borough this up.

[yyz28]

You're right to ask questions. You didn't start a war, you're just looking for some info.

Good info in this thread!

[qtr-camaro ss]

I'm still like PFDAT ( drag coil overs ) more than pedders or BC. I want to see which one is worth the $ will pay. I want to go with the best ...

ok the ER or the supersport coil overs are harder to adjust than the BR right.
the same question to pete the supersport coil overs are harder to adjust than the Xa, is that right. I mean how long it will take me to adjust them

[JusticePete]

Anyone that would like to to go straight to the source, BC the manufacturer in Asia, to inquire about any relationship they may or may not have with Pedders is welcome to do so.

bc@bcec.com.tw
phone 886-4-2339-9193

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by qtr-camaro ss

The same question to pete the supersport coil overs are harder to adjust than the Xa, is that right. I mean how long it will take me to adjust them.

You need to have independent bound and rebound adjustment to optimise a 5th Gen at the drag strip. That means Supercars are the solution. Xa coilovers take a couple of minutes to adjust damping. Supercars have four more knobs to turn so that is a couple more minutes. I can do a Supercar damping adjustments in no more than five minutes and so can you.

[DallasMike]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Anyone that would like to to go straight to the source, BC the manufacturer in Asia, to inquire about any relationship they may or may not have with Pedders is welcome to do so.

bc@bcec.com.tw
phone 886-4-2339-9193

Simple question. Where are the Pedders super car coil overs made? Where are the Pedders XA's made?

BC coil overs are made in Taiwan. White line bushings are manufactured largely in australia but also some in Korea.

The op wants to know what the best solution would be. In our opinion it is the ER series from BC racing. With separate bound and rebound adjustment they are right at home on the drag strip as well as the road course. Did I also mention with 52mm mono tubes and external reservoir how silky smooth they operate for daily driving?

All at a price that simply cannot be beat. These are the same coil overs we will be running on our project SYN R G.

[qtr-camaro ss]

Thanks guys, I will keep thinking about which one I will get, there is something in my mind and i wont even say what I'm going with. until I install it on my car, Its not before one month from now. thank you for all of the information you gave me guys. I think this thread is a good reference to everyone here at C5, there is a lot of good information.

[DallasMike]

Originally Posted by qtr-camaro ss

Thanks guys, I will keep thinking about which one I will get, there is something in my mind and i wont even say what I'm going with. until I install it on my car, Its not before one month from now. thank you for all of the information you gave me guys. I think this thread is a good reference to everyone here at C5, there is a lot of good information.

Listen. All competition aside. Whichever choice you make. Whether it's BC, Pedders, or pfadt. You will not be disappointed in your purchase. The main thing is that you are happy and that your purchase enhances the experience of owning your Camaro. I think I can speak for all the vendors here in saying, at the end of the day we are here to help you regardless of the part you purchase.

We are all very passionate about what we do!

[JusticePete]

Informed people make informed buying decisions. Camaro5 is the best forum for 5th gen owners because of the depth of the knowledge base. Thank you for starting the thread and adding to the knowledge base.

[qtr-camaro ss]

Originally Posted by DallasMike

Listen. All competition aside. Whichever choice you make. Whether it's BC, Pedders, or pfadt. You will not be disappointed in your purchase. The main thing is that you are happy and that your purchase enhances the experience of owning your Camaro. I think I can speak for all the vendors here in saying, at the end of the day we are here to help you regardless of the part you purchase.

We are all very passionate about what we do!

I know, all 3 brands are grate. i cant go wrong with any of them, the only deferent thing is. how much is going out of my pocket , honestly I will pay more for better quality. couple of hundreds more or less wont make a big different. just waiting to get everything done