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GothamCamaro · 03-11-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Look at the poor Challenger.

"I want the camera, too...me - me - take a picture of me!! ....why doesn't anyone take a picture of me?"

*as the Camaro looses layers of paint due to extensive flash photography*

Dragon, the challenger was the same way at the Chicago Autoshow!

*so yeah I come in three different colors, love drinking gas and I'm available now so..ummm..where are you guys going? HEY! Over here! You can buy me right now!!!! The Camaro isn't even out yet! Aw come on! ..stoopid Camaro and it's awesomeness.. guess I'll go make fun of the Mustangs*

*GTAHVIT* · 03-11-2008, 01:49 PM

I forgot to include what my boss said about the Camaro.

His words: "It looked pissed. Kind of like it was saying 'touch me and I'll kick your a$$, I dare you.' It just looked mad."

He seemed pretty sincere about it too.

bouncertime · 03-11-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by edbrick

I'm sorry but I have to keep this going. The first gen Z28 in the magazines of the day ran a 14.8 1/4. The stock SS ran 13.5 in the 1/4. I don't care which one is more collectable back in the day an SS stomped the crap out of a Z28 just like it will in 2009.

What most people don't understand is that they were built for two different purposes. The SS is a straight line car and the Z28 was built for the Trans Am racing series. While yes the 396 SS will be faster in the 1/4 mile, the Z28 would kill the SS on the race track.

CBR9Seadoo · 03-11-2008, 02:36 PM

As much as I would like a the z/28 to be top

dawg... I think having the best of both worlds would be awesome.

Give us the V6 ~ 280 HP - for those who just want the looks.
Give us the Base V8 ~ 400 HP - for those who want the looks and some power. GT and R/T Killer
Give us the SS V8 ~ 500+ HP - for those who want to burn the tires off without going anywhere. GT500 and SRT8 Killer

and then

Give us the z/28 Performance & Handling Package that will allow everyone to go rip up the twisties with bigger brakes, better suspension, better tuned exhaust, and a better intake for example.

That way all models can be a z/28 if they so choose.

That said give me - 2010 Convertible SS z/28 with Hugger Orange and Black Stripes -

*GTAHVIT* · 03-11-2008, 02:39 PM

^^^Go ahead and order two... I'm good for it...

King Cash · 03-11-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gtahvit

^^^Go ahead and order two... I'm good for it...

I am too...i mean, my name is King Cash right?

rocketman 12 · 03-11-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mindz

To clarify my theory, from what Ed said in the video...

"Everyone's expecting a great v8 power and all that, and that is true, you know? And we'll have the base vehicle and the SS model and all that. But even the V6 will have great power..."

It seems as though he's talking about v8's while he's mentioning the base and SS. THEN he switches to talk about the v6. That's why I was thinking this:

Camaro (v6)
Base v8 (v8)
SS Camaro (v8)

I agree 200%, mindz, that's EXACTLY what I got out of that.

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Originally Posted by Emu the Foo

the monte carlo was an ss v6. and cobalt is an I4

I think he might have been talking about Camaros only when he said that, but yeah, I've got a '02 Monte SS. The diff. between it and a LS engine wise is that the LS has a 3.4 liter V-6, and the SS has a 3.8 Liter V-6. Starting in 2004 the SS had a supercharger slapped on it for an extra 60hp, but was still a 3.8 V-6.

wildpaws · 03-11-2008, 05:17 PM

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"Originally Posted by edbrick
I'm sorry but I have to keep this going. The first gen Z28 in the magazines of the day ran a 14.8 1/4. The stock SS ran 13.5 in the 1/4. I don't care which one is more collectable back in the day an SS stomped the crap out of a Z28 just like it will in 2009"

Quote:

Originally Posted by bouncertime

What most people don't understand is that they were built for two different purposes. The SS is a straight line car and the Z28 was built for the Trans Am racing series. While yes the 396 SS will be faster in the 1/4 mile, the Z28 would kill the SS on the race track.

I agree with your response to edbrick with the following qualification. I owned a '69 Z/28 back in the day and did a fair amount of street racing back then (had to pay car payments somehow!), I had absolutely no fear of a SS350/295 or the SS396/325, SS396 350/375HP were a different story in 1320, they would usually get me in the quarter and top end. The big equalizer though was the curves, get on any road with mixed curves and straightaways and all any SS ever saw was Z/28 tail lights.
Clyde

Emu the Foo · 03-11-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wildpaws

Quote:
"Originally Posted by edbrick
I'm sorry but I have to keep this going. The first gen Z28 in the magazines of the day ran a 14.8 1/4. The stock SS ran 13.5 in the 1/4. I don't care which one is more collectable back in the day an SS stomped the crap out of a Z28 just like it will in 2009"

I agree with your response to edbrick with the following qualification. I owned a '69 Z/28 back in the day and did a fair amount of street racing back then (had to pay car payments somehow!), I had absolutely no fear of a SS350/295 or the SS396/325, SS396 350/375HP were a different story in 1320, they would usually get me in the quarter and top end. The big equalizer though was the curves, get on any road with mixed curves and straightaways and all any SS ever saw was Z/28 tail lights.
Clyde

+1. i would rather race through the streets or on a track than some 14 sec, 1/4mi drag race. but drag is funny too.

stovt001 · 03-11-2008, 06:49 PM

Here's my idea, based on the concept of a V6 model, a base V8, and the SS:

What about a pony car spec racing series? You know, really tight regulations, mostly showroom stock stuff. Ford has this for the Mustang: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*

Basically a turnkey race car package with a base GT engine with a few minor mods, plus some suspension, brake, and tranny/rearend mods. Now imagine something a little less race exclusive (such as a full set of seats, pretty much street legal) but basically a package called Z28 that you can add on to the base V8. You might get a few engine mods cranking out a touch higher hp number, but the real good stuff is some hardcore suspension, brake, and transmission upgrades, stuff that is almost too harsh for the street but great for racing. Then make a spec racing series, and either limit it to these new spec Z28 Camaros, or get together with Ford and Dodge to design equivalent GT and RT models to compete against. Sound like a winning idea to anyone else?

2010_5thgen · 03-11-2008, 08:26 PM

so are we assuming a 3.6 v6 and 6.2 ss and a middle v8 motor as a......motor smaller than a 6.2????
or am i way off about this?

Emu the Foo · 03-11-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

so are we assuming a 3.6 v6 and 6.2 ss and a middle v8 motor as a......motor smaller than a 6.2????
or am i way off about this?

what i think is maybe an L76 motor and maybe ss is the LS3 6.2

2010_5thgen · 03-11-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Emu the Foo

what i think is maybe an L76 motor and maybe ss is the LS3 6.2

the L76 is the old 6.0 right?
and then assuming all is correct then the z will be the s/c 6.2

*GTAHVIT* · 03-11-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

so are we assuming a 3.6 v6 and 6.2 ss and a middle v8 motor as a......motor smaller than a 6.2????
or am i way off about this?

I think basically you've got it right. Some of us are saying the ss will be the entry V8 and the z28 with be the top, or vice versa. There has even been a sugestion here that there might be 3 V8's Entry, SS, and Z28. Swap SS and Z28 as desired.

I think for the most part we see a V6, bottom V8 (detuned 6.2???), top V8 (fire breathing 6.2???)

03-11-2008, 01:49 PM	#100
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	I forgot to include what my boss said about the Camaro. His words: "It looked pissed. Kind of like it was saying 'touch me and I'll kick your a$$, I dare you.' It just looked mad." He seemed pretty sincere about it too. __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

03-11-2008, 02:36 PM	#102
CBR9Seadoo Drives: 02 Millenium Yellow Vette Conv Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 55	How about this? As much as I would like a the z/28 to be top dawg... I think having the best of both worlds would be awesome. Give us the V6 ~ 280 HP - for those who just want the looks. Give us the Base V8 ~ 400 HP - for those who want the looks and some power. GT and R/T Killer Give us the SS V8 ~ 500+ HP - for those who want to burn the tires off without going anywhere. GT500 and SRT8 Killer and then Give us the z/28 Performance & Handling Package that will allow everyone to go rip up the twisties with bigger brakes, better suspension, better tuned exhaust, and a better intake for example. That way all models can be a z/28 if they so choose. That said give me - 2010 Convertible SS z/28 with Hugger Orange and Black Stripes - __________________ ---------------------------------- Tim Rochester, MN 1969 z/28 RS in Hugger Orange w/Black Stipes and Orange Houndstooth 1966 Mustang Fastback c-code 289 1988 IROC all original 34k mi 2002 Millenium Yellow Corvette Convertible - sold 1967 Mustang Coupe w/289 - sold Last edited by CBR9Seadoo; 03-11-2008 at 03:00 PM.

03-11-2008, 02:39 PM	#103
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	^^^Go ahead and order two... I'm good for it... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

03-11-2008, 08:26 PM	#109
2010_5thgen Drives: 2012 Porsche Panamera 4 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,275 View My Garage	so are we assuming a 3.6 v6 and 6.2 ss and a middle v8 motor as a......motor smaller than a 6.2???? or am i way off about this? __________________ Brixton Forged CM10 Wheels IN STOCK!!! RF7 SOON!!!! Camaro/M3/M4 wheels in stock High Gloss Titanium

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03-11-2008, 06:49 PM	#108
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,812	Here's my idea, based on the concept of a V6 model, a base V8, and the SS: What about a pony car spec racing series? You know, really tight regulations, mostly showroom stock stuff. Ford has this for the Mustang: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.* Basically a turnkey race car package with a base GT engine with a few minor mods, plus some suspension, brake, and tranny/rearend mods. Now imagine something a little less race exclusive (such as a full set of seats, pretty much street legal) but basically a package called Z28 that you can add on to the base V8. You might get a few engine mods cranking out a touch higher hp number, but the real good stuff is some hardcore suspension, brake, and transmission upgrades, stuff that is almost too harsh for the street but great for racing. Then make a spec racing series, and either limit it to these new spec Z28 Camaros, or get together with Ford and Dodge to design equivalent GT and RT models to compete against. Sound like a winning idea to anyone else?