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hammdo · 07-06-2017, 04:33 PM

Idle at a stoplight, still gets around 200 but the fans kick on early due to tune. On the road and driving, cooler, 180s most of the time. All the 160 does is open earlier to start flowing...

-Don

Mgizzle · 07-06-2017, 10:16 PM

Hammdo thats how I understand it too and for track days that means nothing since we are in the 200s water temps in the warm up laps.

hammdo · 07-07-2017, 01:17 AM

Bingo... once temps are up, that's it. I don't see a big benefit except starting the flow sooner. Once it's hot, it's hot!

Bigger radiators etc make a difference and having coolers for each specific fluid; oil, trans, ps, hx, intercoolers, [I'm supercharged), diff, coolant mix, etc reduce the work the bigger radiator has to do...

-Don

jscott · 07-07-2017, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hammdo

Bingo... once temps are up, that's it. I don't see a big benefit except starting the flow sooner. Once it's hot, it's hot!

Bigger radiators etc make a difference and having coolers for each specific fluid; oil, trans, ps, hx, intercoolers, [I'm supercharged), diff, coolant mix, etc reduce the work the bigger radiator has to do...

-Don

Who's radiator are you running and how was the fit?

Synner · 07-07-2017, 01:08 PM

Flexalite is massive and a great fit. Track temps haven't gone over 212 in 95 degree heat, typically stay around 206 depending on the number of WOT straights.

jscott · 07-07-2017, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synner

Flexalite is massive and a great fit. Track temps haven't gone over 212 in 95 degree heat, typically stay around 206 depending on the number of WOT straights.

Are you running the zl1 front? Splitter?

Synner · 07-07-2017, 05:05 PM

I have both in the garage waiting for my back to recover from the 11 screws I just had put in my spine. The above temps were with an SS front end and the lower airflow compared to the ZL1 front so it's possible temps will go down even more. Stock radiator I saw temps up to 240 before I pulled into the pits to end the session early.

hammdo · 07-07-2017, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscott

Who's radiator are you running and how was the fit?

CSF -- got it from JDP -- fitment was perfect -- nothing to change, just a Direct Replacment...

And I too have the ZL1 bumper -- lots more air flow!

-Don

h018871 · 07-08-2017, 04:04 PM

Synner, did you use the factory fans?
Also, what did you use for the trans cooler?

Synner · 07-08-2017, 05:18 PM

No I got the upgraded fans too. Much better in stop and go. I initially got the flexalite trans cooler kit but have since gone with a larger one since temps were still exceeding 210 on very hot track days. I would not recommend it for track duty or high stall auto cars. The new one is still a tube/fin so not super efficient but pretty big. I went this route due to packaging, most of the more efficient plate units wouldn't have fit with my oil cooler location since they're wide and the one I needed was taller. There's not much room left, extra-wide 50 row oil cooler and the trans cooler. I still use the brackets that came with the kit in a modified fashion but if I had to do it all over I'd just weld custom brackets to the impact bumper. Would have been way easier in the long run but I was under a time crunch and didn't want to mess with repainting.

h018871 · 07-08-2017, 08:27 PM

Thx Synner, appreciate you sharing you experience
I have a similar issue with the oil cooler.

Synner · 09-09-2017, 07:39 PM

Update on coolers and performance. This was at Barber MSP. Not too many super long straights but still a fair amount of WOT. I must say I love Trofeo R's.

1) Earl's 50 row extra wide kept oil 245 or below, 85 degree ambient temps. Finally success!
2) Trans cooler, the crappy flexalite tube fin 7-1/2'' x 15'' x 3/4'' kept things 185 or so. I'm happy with this and I also have the diff cooler plumbed to this so more fluid capacity but more added heat too.
3) Flexalite radiator and fans kept water around 195, still amazed with it's performance and one of my best buys. It was only a 50/50 mix so possibly lower temps are possible with a 30/70 or 10/90. No additives used.

Done screwing with coolers. Now my aero that I can't get to fit...

tadams72 · 09-10-2017, 12:12 AM

Those are good numbers Synner. For the oil cooler, what size lines and how are you tapped into the system?

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olblue75 · 09-10-2017, 10:59 AM

Any good/bad opinions on the Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler??

07-06-2017, 04:33 PM	#351
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,694 View My Garage	Idle at a stoplight, still gets around 200 but the fans kick on early due to tune. On the road and driving, cooler, 180s most of the time. All the 160 does is open earlier to start flowing... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

07-06-2017, 10:16 PM	#352
Mgizzle Drives: 2013 Camaro 1LE 1SS Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,252	Hammdo thats how I understand it too and for track days that means nothing since we are in the 200s water temps in the warm up laps. __________________ I work for General Motors and am not an official spokes person for General Motors. My views and opinions are my own and not those of General Motors.

07-07-2017, 01:17 AM	#353
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,694 View My Garage	Bingo... once temps are up, that's it. I don't see a big benefit except starting the flow sooner. Once it's hot, it's hot! Bigger radiators etc make a difference and having coolers for each specific fluid; oil, trans, ps, hx, intercoolers, [I'm supercharged), diff, coolant mix, etc reduce the work the bigger radiator has to do... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

07-08-2017, 04:04 PM	#359
h018871 Geoff Drives: 2020 ZL1 Green Join Date: May 2013 Location: Houston Posts: 1,720	Synner, did you use the factory fans? Also, what did you use for the trans cooler? __________________ Having a Blast https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...php?p=10741733

07-08-2017, 05:18 PM	#360
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	No I got the upgraded fans too. Much better in stop and go. I initially got the flexalite trans cooler kit but have since gone with a larger one since temps were still exceeding 210 on very hot track days. I would not recommend it for track duty or high stall auto cars. The new one is still a tube/fin so not super efficient but pretty big. I went this route due to packaging, most of the more efficient plate units wouldn't have fit with my oil cooler location since they're wide and the one I needed was taller. There's not much room left, extra-wide 50 row oil cooler and the trans cooler. I still use the brackets that came with the kit in a modified fashion but if I had to do it all over I'd just weld custom brackets to the impact bumper. Would have been way easier in the long run but I was under a time crunch and didn't want to mess with repainting. Last edited by Synner; 09-10-2017 at 07:51 PM.

07-07-2017, 01:08 PM	#355
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	Flexalite is massive and a great fit. Track temps haven't gone over 212 in 95 degree heat, typically stay around 206 depending on the number of WOT straights.

07-07-2017, 05:05 PM	#357
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	I have both in the garage waiting for my back to recover from the 11 screws I just had put in my spine. The above temps were with an SS front end and the lower airflow compared to the ZL1 front so it's possible temps will go down even more. Stock radiator I saw temps up to 240 before I pulled into the pits to end the session early.

07-08-2017, 08:27 PM	#361
h018871 Geoff Drives: 2020 ZL1 Green Join Date: May 2013 Location: Houston Posts: 1,720	Thx Synner, appreciate you sharing you experience I have a similar issue with the oil cooler. __________________ Having a Blast https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...php?p=10741733

09-09-2017, 07:39 PM	#362
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	Update on coolers and performance. This was at Barber MSP. Not too many super long straights but still a fair amount of WOT. I must say I love Trofeo R's. 1) Earl's 50 row extra wide kept oil 245 or below, 85 degree ambient temps. Finally success! 2) Trans cooler, the crappy flexalite tube fin 7-1/2'' x 15'' x 3/4'' kept things 185 or so. I'm happy with this and I also have the diff cooler plumbed to this so more fluid capacity but more added heat too. 3) Flexalite radiator and fans kept water around 195, still amazed with it's performance and one of my best buys. It was only a 50/50 mix so possibly lower temps are possible with a 30/70 or 10/90. No additives used. Done screwing with coolers. Now my aero that I can't get to fit...

09-10-2017, 12:12 AM	#363
tadams72 When is enough ever... Drives: 2006 Silverado 2500HD CC/SB LBZ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Residence: Chula Vista, CA Home: Billings, MT Posts: 996 View My Garage	Those are good numbers Synner. For the oil cooler, what size lines and how are you tapped into the system? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ The Project: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS (ERL 427 Superdeck NA Monster) "Just like farmer engineering. Find the weak link and fix it, then find the next one." Salt Cat Racing

09-10-2017, 10:59 AM	#364
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,064	Any good/bad opinions on the Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler?? __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.