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sneakypete · 06-14-2013, 11:15 AM

I am currently in the market for a new cam due to a lifter failing and cutting a nice little groove in my current cam. I currently have a Vengence Racing Cam (231/243 .617/.624 115+3). I figured while the heads are off there is no better time to upgrade those as well. I have the following mods, LT, HF cats, Axleback, Varram, UD Pulley, ported TB, ported Intake, flowmatched injectors, 3.91 gears, and dyno tune. The car made 465hp and was very streetable with minimal bucking below 1500 rpms. It is my daily driver with a few trips to the track a year. Im looking to make at least the same amount of power but preferably more as long as im not losing power under the curve. I have been looking at TSP's PRC 250cc and 255cc heads with their 231/236 and 235/239 cams. Any one have any experience with any combination of this setup? If you have any reccomendations I am all ears. Please keep in mind I am looking to stay as close to 3 grand as possible on the heads and cam package. I will be doing all the work myself so that is 3 grand for parts.

Thanks for any input

Jason P · 06-14-2013, 11:22 AM

I have the 231 /243 cam with ported heads and the car was awesome. Then I supercharged it, and its even better. I have never dynoed my car so I have no clue what power level I'm at, but even before the super charger I could roast the tires from a roll.

litle88 · 06-14-2013, 12:19 PM

I'd go TFS, sell your old cam and get a new one designed to suit these heads. Sell your old heads and easily get 500 for them.

To spec out a cam I'd call Brian Tooley Racing to spec one out, if anyone knows TFS it's him. You won't regret it. These heads have a 12* head and will allow more Ptv clearance and allow for higher compression (free TQ n HP), I don't think that there is an off the shelf cam for these.

sneakypete · 06-14-2013, 01:02 PM

litle88,

Thanks I will call him and see what we can come up with. Any other recomendations out there?

MikeOD · 06-14-2013, 01:08 PM

I am very very happy with my AI ported stock heads...I haven't seen the taillights of any other stock bottom end N/A 5th gens yet

...I haven't put any numbers up on here in a while, but my cam is MILD compared to a lot of other cars, excellent driveability (almost like stock) and fantastic power.

litle88 · 06-14-2013, 05:10 PM

Can't go wrong with WCCH, AI, Brian Tooley, TEA, LPE. IMHO.

SPCBA · 06-14-2013, 05:20 PM

WCCH and a custom grind cam from someone like Mr Tooley or Mr Cunningham

Irnwkrkev · 06-14-2013, 08:35 PM

If you really want to spend $3,000 for 20-30 horsepower I'd suggest some PRC medium bore LS7 heads so you can use LS7 rockers and intake to gain the most power. You'd be able to sell your LS3 stuff as a package to someone with an Ls2 (GTO owner).

I would rather spend $500 on a new cam and the remaining $2,500 on a nitrous outlet plate system, dedicated fuel system, and required electronics to add 200 horsepower!

sneakypete · 06-15-2013, 09:52 AM

Thanks for the suggestion about the LS7 heads. I won't be looking into the nitrous though, it doesn't interest me. Thanks though.

BplumCrazy-SS · 06-17-2013, 09:04 AM

I have the PRC 255 heads and I really like my setup

Bahrain5666 · 06-17-2013, 03:33 PM

465 hp with cam or without?

richard grimsley · 06-17-2013, 09:34 PM

I am in interest of the TS 231/236 cam. Aiming for 460 rwhp. In desire of a cam with radicle idle, with great hp/tq gain....what lsa would be best? 111, 112, or 113 to meet these performance characteristics in a ls3 (6M).

litle88 · 06-17-2013, 10:02 PM

111 will be choppier the 113 will be a lil less.

06-14-2013, 11:15 AM	#1
sneakypete OOH..Sneaky, Sneaky!! Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Oceanside California Posts: 254	Heads and Cam? I am currently in the market for a new cam due to a lifter failing and cutting a nice little groove in my current cam. I currently have a Vengence Racing Cam (231/243 .617/.624 115+3). I figured while the heads are off there is no better time to upgrade those as well. I have the following mods, LT, HF cats, Axleback, Varram, UD Pulley, ported TB, ported Intake, flowmatched injectors, 3.91 gears, and dyno tune. The car made 465hp and was very streetable with minimal bucking below 1500 rpms. It is my daily driver with a few trips to the track a year. Im looking to make at least the same amount of power but preferably more as long as im not losing power under the curve. I have been looking at TSP's PRC 250cc and 255cc heads with their 231/236 and 235/239 cams. Any one have any experience with any combination of this setup? If you have any reccomendations I am all ears. Please keep in mind I am looking to stay as close to 3 grand as possible on the heads and cam package. I will be doing all the work myself so that is 3 grand for parts. Thanks for any input

06-14-2013, 11:22 AM	#2
Jason P Drives: 2011 2ss Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: United States Posts: 272	I have the 231 /243 cam with ported heads and the car was awesome. Then I supercharged it, and its even better. I have never dynoed my car so I have no clue what power level I'm at, but even before the super charger I could roast the tires from a roll. __________________ 2011 2ss Ram twin plate ceramic clutch, Texas speed 418 LS3 235 /243 .621 / .624 cam, ported and polished heads with dual springs,magnum push rods, Hotchkis race pack, Stainless Power long tube headers with no cats, Magna Flo competition exhaust, lpe fuel pump, magnuson supercharger with overdrive and port matched blower plate, IW 8 rib pullies, AEM meth kit, id 850 injectors, 3 bar map, halltech cai, zl1 rear diff

06-14-2013, 12:19 PM	#3
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	I'd go TFS, sell your old cam and get a new one designed to suit these heads. Sell your old heads and easily get 500 for them. To spec out a cam I'd call Brian Tooley Racing to spec one out, if anyone knows TFS it's him. You won't regret it. These heads have a 12* head and will allow more Ptv clearance and allow for higher compression (free TQ n HP), I don't think that there is an off the shelf cam for these. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

06-14-2013, 01:08 PM	#5
MikeOD Drives: 2010 M6 2SS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Windsor, CT Posts: 1,202	I am very very happy with my AI ported stock heads...I haven't seen the taillights of any other stock bottom end N/A 5th gens yet ...I haven't put any numbers up on here in a while, but my cam is MILD compared to a lot of other cars, excellent driveability (almost like stock) and fantastic power. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS M6. Heads/Cam/Intake/Headers/Exhaust/Suspension

06-14-2013, 05:10 PM	#6
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Can't go wrong with WCCH, AI, Brian Tooley, TEA, LPE. IMHO. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

06-14-2013, 01:02 PM	#4
sneakypete OOH..Sneaky, Sneaky!! Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Oceanside California Posts: 254	litle88, Thanks I will call him and see what we can come up with. Any other recomendations out there?

06-14-2013, 05:20 PM	#7
SPCBA Drives: pleather and Chiclets Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: a line somwhere Posts: 4,206 View My Garage	WCCH and a custom grind cam from someone like Mr Tooley or Mr Cunningham __________________ the power by www.cunningham-motorsports.com the brakes by www.RacingBrake.com

06-14-2013, 08:35 PM	#8
Irnwkrkev Drives: 2011 SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Miami Posts: 528	If you really want to spend $3,000 for 20-30 horsepower I'd suggest some PRC medium bore LS7 heads so you can use LS7 rockers and intake to gain the most power. You'd be able to sell your LS3 stuff as a package to someone with an Ls2 (GTO owner). I would rather spend $500 on a new cam and the remaining $2,500 on a nitrous outlet plate system, dedicated fuel system, and required electronics to add 200 horsepower!

06-15-2013, 09:52 AM	#9
sneakypete OOH..Sneaky, Sneaky!! Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Oceanside California Posts: 254	Thanks for the suggestion about the LS7 heads. I won't be looking into the nitrous though, it doesn't interest me. Thanks though.

06-17-2013, 09:04 AM	#10
BplumCrazy-SS Drives: 416 w/TH400 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 697	I have the PRC 255 heads and I really like my setup __________________ ERL 416 - 12.5 cr, TH400, Custom VVT Cam, PRC 255 heads, NW 102 TB, Aeromotive stealth fuel system, Fast 102 plumbed with a nitrous express direct port kit, BMR 15" conversion kit

06-17-2013, 03:33 PM	#11
Bahrain5666 Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: May 2012 Location: Bahrain Posts: 8	465 hp with cam or without?

06-17-2013, 09:34 PM	#12
richard grimsley GRIM Drives: 2015 Camaro Z/28 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Marlton, NJ. Posts: 157	231/236 I am in interest of the TS 231/236 cam. Aiming for 460 rwhp. In desire of a cam with radicle idle, with great hp/tq gain....what lsa would be best? 111, 112, or 113 to meet these performance characteristics in a ls3 (6M).

06-17-2013, 10:02 PM	#13
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	111 will be choppier the 113 will be a lil less. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.