V6 AY6 M6 2nd Gear Problem - Report Your Issue Here

[DarkneSS]

GM needs to step up to the plate here...its a sports car that you cant shift fast? WTF!?

GM Customer Service people, if you can please pass this on to someone higher up. You may well potentially have a class action lawsuit on yours hands. The transmissions all have a defect and people are getting more and more angry.

[Chevrolet Customer Svc]

Originally Posted by littleman54321

I took mine in last week (wed) for them to replace second gear. Got it back today, and everything was going fine at first. Which was great, and the fact that I was now back in my camaro and not driving around a 2.2L engine HHR anymore was fantastic too

Stopped and picked up lunch, and on the way to my friends work, it started doing it again...Did it twice in 2 miles. 1st -> 2nd shift grind, same as before. Sigh. So it looks like it's going back to the shop

I'm sorry to hear about your continued issues with your transmission. Could you send me your name, address and phone number so I can get you setup with our Customer Assistance team to try and get a resolution for you? Thank you.

Jeff Morris, Chevrolet Customer Service

[Chevrolet Customer Svc]

Originally Posted by FC_GIBB

Thanks nak3dsnake

any rebuttal for this Chevrolet Customer Svc?

those links are for 2010 and 2011 models and it does state the same.... i think the webmaster should replace the T56 w/ AY6 so not to confuse those of us who use the resources of your "official GM information"

As I had stated before as my information shows the T56 Tremec Manual Transmission is listed in the 2012 model year information as the standard transmission across the board omitting the ZL1 model. That is how my information stands. Someone here may have spoken to a representative of GM that may have more up to date information than what I have but this is the best that I have at this moment and until it gets updated this is the answer I can give you. I apologize for the confusion. I'd also like to apologize for the confusion and multiple posts. My coworkers and I are doing our best to keep the forum covered so I do apologize for all the different names being associated with the account at this time. We're doing what we can to keep up with all of you here and it has shown to be a job that I need a little assistance on every once in a while. You guys keep us busy!

Jeff Morris, Chevrolet Customer Service

[CAMAR0]

Its bc the keyway that holds the gear true to the centerline of the shaft is getting worn loose per the GM mechanic that opened mine up. The gear gets rotated one way and grinds. In theory at some point via downshifts etc the gear can rotate back towards where it may stop grinding for a while. Thats why the problem is periodic. To fix it, they swapped the main shaft, the key, and the 2nd gear. Second gear was shredded! A reason the keyway is stressed more than normal is due to the "reduced gear width" per the aisen site. Less area for the loading to occur = greater stresses on the keyway connection.

Synchros were not needed on mine. This may not be the universal solution but seems to be a common problem. Bottom line is that its a budget transmission that works fine in light duty applications. It just cant handle the wear and tear that this motor can dish out.

T56 or TR6060?

The 2012 LFX will use the MV5 transmission which is the AY6.

[Chevrolet Customer Svc]

Originally Posted by toasterfires

I wonder how many of these are actually clutch related. When I shift I *always* push the clutch all of the way to the floor. On every single shift. Recently I had to pass a truck that had pulled over on a narrow back road, After coming to a complete stop to wait for the traffic on the other side to pass I took off, brought first gear up to maybe 5.5k rpm and attempted to shift to second. I tried to shift 3 times and it ground loudly each time, I ended up shifting to 3rd instead (and i was pretty much standing on the clutch after the first grind) and managed to avoid a head on collission that would not have been a problem at all if my car shifted as it should've. This was the first grind I had in a very long time. Now I am noticing that my clutch is grabbing like an inch off the floor. Time to go argue with the dealer again and try and convince them that I know how to drive my own car i guess.

Sidenote: After having the grind issue I was able to downshift into second gear, but when I came to a stop (3 minutes later) I couldnt get the car into first gear until I put it in neutral, took my foot off the clutch then tried again. Strange.

If you could also keep us up to date on what you plan to do about this issue that would be appreciated. Again sorry for the multitude of posts!

Jeff Morris, Chevrolet Customer Service

[jeff4946]

Ya... mines a grinder too. I guess ill just drive it till it shit the bed, then take it in on warranty. Doesn't look like they are going to do crap about it.

[Chevrolet Customer Svc]

C_LoW29,

I completely understand the frustration and other emotions that you and other Camaro owner's are experiencing. For me to better understand your particular situation, have you had a case opened as of today?

Michelle, Chevrolet Customer Service

[toasterfires]

Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc

If you could also keep us up to date on what you plan to do about this issue that would be appreciated. Again sorry for the multitude of posts!

Jeff Morris, Chevrolet Customer Service

I just got back from the dealer a little while ago actually, they told me that the clutch pedal felt normal and then they attached a TSB that more or less said "Shift slower, this ain't a corvette" with regards to the gear grind. EDIT:TSB is #03-07-29-004G - Manual Transmission Operating Characteristics.

EDIT: Technician's comments say the following:
Regarding the clutch engagement point being much lower than it usually is (And getting lower as time goes on): "Customer concern not duplicated"

Regarding the grinding and the increased effort required to shift that has only recently started:
"Road tested vehicle and could not fully duplicate customers concern. [Wording that basically says they found bulletin 03-07-29-004G] ... Medium duty transmissions will not shift as quickly as a Corvette transmission. To reduct shift effort, do not attempt to rush the shift - allow the syncronizers to work as designed. Shifting harder will only increase the chance of rushing past the synchronizer leading to grinding while shifting. This is a normal condition of the vehicle. Compared with a like model on the lot and verified it has the same characteristics. No corrections made at this time"


I guess I will just have to wait for the clutch to get much worse. I asked the dealer how close to the floor my clutch needs to be for them to notice that it's not operating as designed but they couldn't give me an answer to that.

This is exactly how the car felt prior to the last service visit i had in December/January where the clutch got so low that eventually I couldn't even get it to disengage fully. The dealer ended up replacing the clutch, flywheel, and some other items. Basically the root cause was TSB #PIP4774A. Supposedly they applied the loc-tite when they repaired it, so I am not sure why it feels like the same thing is happening again.

EDIT: Also I have a periodic "Bind" that gets better and worse seemingly randomly. My issues don't sound nearly as terrible as some others here, however I will say that i always end up shifting much slower from 1->2 than I should have to.

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc

C_LoW29,

I completely understand the frustration and other emotions that you and other Camaro owner's are experiencing. For me to better understand your particular situation, have you had a case opened as of today?

Michelle, Chevrolet Customer Service

I'm sure you are a great person, and your job has to be as stressful as anyone else's, but there is 45pages here of complaints. I'm not opening a case. It will go no where, and I'm sure people are getting tired of wasting breath talking about it.

[c_LoW29]

Originally Posted by jeff4946

I'm sure you are a great person, and your job has to be as stressful as anyone else's, but there is 45pages here of complaints. I'm not opening a case. It will go no where, and I'm sure people are getting tired of wasting breath talking about it.

I dont know why I bother posting it's a waste of time no point in opening a case done that about 10 times I don't want them to just fix the issue temporarily I want a complete fix for all of us but that won't happen GM doesn't care to look into this any further they got our money and that's all they care about.

[ponbigi]

I'm starting to share your thoughts lol

[ponbigi]

To the incompetent GM team
Hope this gets your attention. I have been nice, played fair and have been willing to do what-ever it takes to get my transmission issue resolved but as expected to no avail. Now the gloves come off and no more Mr. nice guy.

It took me a lot to come back to you. After 3 previous GM cars all with issues I left and went the Honda route. 125,000 miles and NOT ONE ISSUE, no transmission problems, no need for any warranty work what-so-ever. However, once the Camaro came out, I had to have it but it took me 2 years to convince myself to come back to you. So I do it and purchase a 2011 Camaro LS M6 AY. Within 3,000 miles this car developed a 2nd gear grind. Took it to the dealership and they reparied it after sitting on their lot for 3 weeks? Why? because their service department ordered the wrong parts.... please explain how they do that?

They replaced 1st gear, 2nd gear, syncros, forks etc, etc. 5,000 miles after that guess what devleoped again. Yup Second Gear Grind. Spoke with you Mr. Alan Oppenheiser at Camaro Fest about this issue. YOU promised immeadiate resolution. YOU promised you would intercept the TAC. YOU promised me a field engineer. YOUR promises have not materialized.

I took the car back in 1 day after our conversation at Camaro FestII. Reproduced the problem for Larry at Chapman Chevy Service Department in Tempe, AZ. They did not want to keep the car, they called the TAC department and sent an Email. 3 weeks go buy I take the car back.

here is where it gets fun.

3 days prior to taking the car back to the dealership- the second gear grind stopped all together. Does that mean there is no longer a problem

NO IT DOES NOT. I explained this to Chapman who said they arranged for a GM REP to come take a look. I already knew the out-come. So I asked for the GM REP to contact me once in site. Did I get that Call? Of course not. Because they "could not reproduce" they wont even take a look at the tranny. EVEN THOUGHT IT WAS REPRODUCED FOR THIS SEVICE DEPARTMENT, THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT FOREMAN who even said "wow just like last time". They know this issue exists in the car, yet, they wont do anything about it now. Even though it was reproduced for them a second time. Yet, I get no call from the rep or service department to come out and be a part of this to explain, as why would you not do that to begin with since I am the most familiar with the problem.

ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE A DEFECTIVE PRODUCT. How can you ignore this? Look at the AY6 M6 fourm and you will see this just isnt a small issue.

I know and YOU know from my previous work order that 1st and 2nd gear were destroyed and you know its the same way again. Can you tell me that a Grind that you personally witnessed and how constant it is/was does not do damage to the gears and clutch???? can you assure me of that without taking a look at the transmission????????

WHAT KIND OF SERIVCE DO YOU OFFER

I want a resolution to this. I am sick of the run-around, I am sick of the "we will take care of you" when your Service Rep won't even give me a call as requested. Funny how someone can make such a decesion without so much consulting the daily driver of the car.

YOUR SERVICE IS LACKING

I will do what-ever it takes to get in touch with each and every one of you until this matter is resolved. I will aquire your email and phone numbers and use them as much as possible until you resolve this issue with a defaulty product.

[piticu667]

All you are about to read is IMHO
LT = less transmission cause the Aisin crap does not qualify

@Jeff loool... I have emailed exec level GM!!! Sorry bud I gave you guys 9 months to fix my problem.. Got a reply .. I have the emails.. So GM is aware of the problem..

@Camaro0 I have it on the record from a licenced transmission specialist that you are right... He was fixing a Tacoma today and showed me the axel. His advice was sell the piece of sh*t. Looks like you made the right call to sell it.

@GM your product s*cks and the warranty is a nightmare!!! If you have to go Exec Level to get a simple product fixed dam!!!

Went by a dealership yesterday to pick up my car .. Hot girl was asking me about my car saying its so cool.. I told her do you want to buy it.. I am really happy with my Camry 10K no issues! Are you listening GM??? No hot girl will convince to use your product...

Got my car new transmission won't go into 6th.. Aisin shi*t less than 10 km.. True I only tried once to get in 6th..
GM please post disclaimer on product ... requires granny shifting...
Medium duty transmission my *** ..I drove Opels , Saabs , Audis ,BMWs never grinded once.. Lets just say crapp* transmission

[piticu667]

All you are about to read is IMHO
LT = less transmission cause the Aisin crap does not qualify

@Jeff loool... I have emailed exec level GM!!! Sorry bud I gave you guys 9 months to fix my problem.. Got a reply .. I have the emails.. So GM is aware of the problem..

@Camaro0 I have it on the record from a licenced transmission specialist that you are right... He was fixing a Tacoma today and showed me the axel. His advice was sell the piece of sh*t. Looks like you made the right call to sell it.

@GM your product s*cks and the warranty is a nightmare!!! If you have to go Exec Level to get a simple product fixed dam!!!

Went by a dealership yesterday to pick up my car .. Hot girl was asking me about my car saying its so cool.. I told her do you want to buy it.. I am really happy with my Camry 10K no issues! Are you listening GM??? No hot girl will convince to use your product...

Got my car new transmission won't go into 6th.. Aisin shi*t less than 10 km.. True I only tried once to get in 6th...

For the record:
The Camaro is the worst car I have ever driven.. Yes I have driven ladas and trabants.. BTW GM just so you know the Trabant had a carboard hood and side panels and it was still more reliable..