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Old 05-20-2015, 09:32 PM   #29
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You have to remember there is a 4 cyl coming. That would be lighter than the others. Could be where the 200 plus pounds come from. I work for a Chevy dealer and have access to some of the specs. I'll find out what I can tomorrow and let you guys know
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Old 05-21-2015, 01:12 PM   #30
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You have to remember there is a 4 cyl coming. That would be lighter than the others. Could be where the 200 plus pounds come from. I work for a Chevy dealer and have access to some of the specs. I'll find out what I can tomorrow and let you guys know
I can promise you, that the 200lbs weight drop has zero to do with the 4 banger. In fact, I'd wager the weight difference between the 4 cylinder and the V6 won't be all that much different. Maybe 50lbs..

The CTS-V coupe was a Camaro chassis, motor, transmission, blah blah blah blah interior blah blah etc... They were and are the same car except for some designer looks and body panels. It was the same with the Firebird for years too....outside looks mostly werent the same...but underneath...they were...

The ATS coupe is the exact car to expect when the new Camaro debuts for the weights. I'll wager most of the specs will be very similar in fact... with the exception of the V8 model, as I expect that will be about 250lbs heavier than the 3450lbs of the ATS....which still puts us around 3700lbs.

The outgoing 2015 SS Camaro weighs 3900lbs....you're telling me there's no way GM can trim 200lbs from that car? Are you kidding me?
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:03 AM   #31
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Better rims (smaller/lighter) would cut 50 pounds on their own. 5th generation RS wheels and tires are 60#'s each. Get a good set of 18's on it and that drops to 40-45#'s each. Little cuts here and there will get the 200# reduction.

That said, there is no way in hell the stock 6th Gen runs faster than 12.5 in the 1/4.


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Old 05-22-2015, 11:05 AM   #32
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Better rims (smaller/lighter) would cut 50 pounds on their own. 5th generation RS wheels and tires are 60#'s each. Get a good set of 18's on it and that drops to 40-45#'s each. Little cuts here and there will get the 200# reduction.

That said, there is no way in hell the stock 6th Gen runs faster than 12.5 in the 1/4.


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I had hoped GM would listen to common sense like that...but the 6th Gen RS and V8 will keep the 20" wheel....which is just ridiculous..
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Old 05-22-2015, 04:25 PM   #33
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6sp/7sp manual 12.8

8sp auto 12.6 maybe high 12.5 IF enough weight is lost.
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:32 PM   #34
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No matter what it is...the 2016 Camaro SS could easily put 5-6 car lengths in the 1/4 mile on the new GT.
Exaggeration is present here...

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Thr manual should trap about 3-4 mph and .3-.4 quicker more vs a ls3 .
The auto should have about same trap speed as manual but quicker by .2-.3 second.
So lets used a baseline of 12.9@110 mph magazine time for the 5th gen .
Manual would run a 12.6@114 and the auto 12.4@113 is my guess.
I would say this is pretty spot on. Based on power/weight and suspension/tires there shouldn't be too much deviation IMO.

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Better rims (smaller/lighter) would cut 50 pounds on their own. 5th generation RS wheels and tires are 60#'s each. Get a good set of 18's on it and that drops to 40-45#'s each. Little cuts here and there will get the 200# reduction.
That said, there is no way in hell the stock 6th Gen runs faster than 12.5 in the 1/4.
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Old 06-24-2015, 04:51 PM   #35
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Ummm...even with 200lbs weight drop and a 30hp increase, you arent going from 13.0 in the quarter to 12.2....its just not happening...

The Vette has a lower drag coefficient, better aero, it's lighter, and most importantly, it's got tires the size of Texas on the back for grip...
The 5th gen record is 12.58... No reason this car wont hit 12.1-12.2 with someone that can drive. Lighter, better aero, more power, and better suspension.
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Old 06-24-2015, 05:02 PM   #36
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general rule of thumb, 100lbs is about .1 second increase in a 1/4 mile run. so if the car is at least 200lbs lighter, you can guess the car will be at least .2 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile. add the fact that the car has more hp/tq, and you can probably guess it's going to be more than .2 seconds faster. if I were to guess, i'd say the new Camaro will be around .25-.35 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile.
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:20 PM   #37
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:47 PM   #38
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Old 06-26-2015, 11:47 PM   #39
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I'm calling 12.5 at 114.
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Old 06-27-2015, 12:16 AM   #40
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How is it that this thread popped up before a "Predict the 455 hp 2016 Camaro SS Laguna Seca and VIR lap times" thread?
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Old 06-27-2015, 12:30 AM   #41
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No doubt, at least one model of the Alpha Camaro models WILL be 200lbs lighter than one of the 5thGen Camaro models. They have already said that. But that doesn't mean EVERY model lost 200lbs between the 5thGen and the 6thGen. Why is that so hard to comprehend or accept?
They have said model for model the 6th gen is more than 200lbs lighter. Almost 300lbs lighter comparing the turbo 4 vs the old 6 cylinder.

The question is really, why is THAT so hard to comprehend???
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Old 06-27-2015, 12:36 AM   #42
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Mags will see 12.3-12.4 at 115-116 for autos. 12.1 to 12.2 @ 116-117 will be a common great time with hero runs in the 11s.

The ls3 was never in a auto camaro, so we have a gain of 56hp, better torque curve, 200+ less lbs and a lightning fast 8 speed over the 5th gen autos that ran 12.9-13.0.
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