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Oxtar41 · 10-14-2011, 02:55 PM

Im tired of the 2nd gear issue with my M6 so since I work as a technician at a chevy dealer I decided to pull the trans out of my car, rip it down and see what I can find myself. First off its kind of a pain in the ass to rip that thing down lol. It was my first 6 speed manual that I have pulled apart so I was going by the books making sure I do everything the right way.

Theres like 12 special GM tools you need to use, anyways once inside I found what I think is the issue, which is the blockring rings for 2nd gear. In the pictures you can see the wear on the brass ring, when pressed down on second gear its self the ring still spins, it shouldnt. There is about 10,000 miles on this trans and its the second trans in the car due to 2nd gear grind. I was about to order the new updated carbon rings that everyone has been putting in them from aftermarket companies.

I called a few after market companies and found out they wanted like 500-600 JUST for the new rings. I decided to hold off as its going to be covered by warranty anyways. So I get the parts today for second gear and low and behold they are the CARBON UPDATED rings right from chevy

. I talked with the service manager and he gave me the go-ahead to order 1,3,4 rings as they are updated so needless to say that just saved me 500-600 bucks!

I thought id pass this info along with pictures to anyone with second gear issues to print off and that way you can SHOW the service manager at your local dealer that there is infact an updated ring that is supposed to solve some of the 2nd gear issues. Maybe that will persuade them to open the tranny up and replace the rings for you guys! Hope it helps!

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ponbigi · 10-14-2011, 03:59 PM

Wow if there is anyway that you can find something.offical about the rings going to carbon that would be most helpful

camarorick · 10-14-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxtar41

I talked with the service manager and he gave me the go-ahead to order 1,3,4 rings as they are updated so needless to say that just saved me 500-600 bucks!

Can you confirm that GM is replacing 1,3,4 rings with carbon ??

I've had my tranny rebuilt already with the 2 gear carbon ring, and now that works like a charm..... 3rd gear still has a little something that's not so right

Russell James · 10-14-2011, 06:12 PM

Any word if the '12s already come with these parts?

Oxtar41 · 10-14-2011, 06:43 PM

From what the parts guys told me they are updated. I ordered 1,3,4 today so I should know monday morning if they are carbon. Ill keep you guys updated.

camarorick · 10-14-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxtar41

From what the parts guys told me they are updated. I ordered 1,3,4 today so I should know monday morning if they are carbon. Ill keep you guys updated.

Thanks !

Mach · 10-14-2011, 07:02 PM

Can you tell us if the AY6 has updated carbon rings?

jesserayjames · 10-14-2011, 07:07 PM

That's good news, just ordered a 2012 2SS/RS 6M.............

BlackPlague · 10-14-2011, 07:10 PM

so is this the first step to GM fixing our issue? or are they still going to deny it?

chevy 3 · 10-14-2011, 07:15 PM

I want to find out also. Can I get mine fixed if I go to the dealer ?

2ss-booya · 10-14-2011, 08:12 PM

I can't say for sure (because I havent taken the tranny apart)...but I had a 10' ss m6 and I now have a 12' ss m6 and the tranny definitely feels different (For the better)...i have not for once had an issue with 2nd gear like i did with the 10'

Kilo-9 · 10-15-2011, 04:08 PM

Great info. Thanks!

I'm getting the 1-2 grind on my '11...

toasterfires · 10-15-2011, 09:33 PM

I would be extremely interested in knowing if there might be an update for these in the 2010 V6 AY6 transmission as well. I am on the verge of selling my camaro just to avoid the hassle of dealing with the tranny issues in the future. If there are updated parts that might fix the grinding/binding that would be awesome news.

mike25 · 10-15-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell James

Any word if the '12s already come with these parts?

im going to say yes. 2500 miles and not one grind yet.

10-14-2011, 02:55 PM	#1
Oxtar41 Drives: 700 rwhp 2010 SS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Garage.. Posts: 803	2nd gear grind issue and updated GM parts (pics) Im tired of the 2nd gear issue with my M6 so since I work as a technician at a chevy dealer I decided to pull the trans out of my car, rip it down and see what I can find myself. First off its kind of a pain in the ass to rip that thing down lol. It was my first 6 speed manual that I have pulled apart so I was going by the books making sure I do everything the right way. Theres like 12 special GM tools you need to use, anyways once inside I found what I think is the issue, which is the blockring rings for 2nd gear. In the pictures you can see the wear on the brass ring, when pressed down on second gear its self the ring still spins, it shouldnt. There is about 10,000 miles on this trans and its the second trans in the car due to 2nd gear grind. I was about to order the new updated carbon rings that everyone has been putting in them from aftermarket companies. I called a few after market companies and found out they wanted like 500-600 JUST for the new rings. I decided to hold off as its going to be covered by warranty anyways. So I get the parts today for second gear and low and behold they are the CARBON UPDATED rings right from chevy . I talked with the service manager and he gave me the go-ahead to order 1,3,4 rings as they are updated so needless to say that just saved me 500-600 bucks! I thought id pass this info along with pictures to anyone with second gear issues to print off and that way you can SHOW the service manager at your local dealer that there is infact an updated ring that is supposed to solve some of the 2nd gear issues. Maybe that will persuade them to open the tranny up and replace the rings for you guys! Hope it helps! Old Updated __________________

10-14-2011, 06:43 PM	#5
Oxtar41 Drives: 700 rwhp 2010 SS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Garage.. Posts: 803	From what the parts guys told me they are updated. I ordered 1,3,4 today so I should know monday morning if they are carbon. Ill keep you guys updated. __________________

10-14-2011, 07:02 PM	#7
Mach Drives: White M6 1LT RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canton, MI Posts: 1,676	Can you tell us if the AY6 has updated carbon rings? __________________ Pfadt Sway Bars - FE3 Suspension - Barton Shifter - IdealG's Clutch Master Cylinder - Trifecta - Vmax TB - Vararam Intake - MACE 25mm Insulator - Plenum Insulator - Ported/Gasket Matched Intake Manifold - Rx Catchcan - AAC DRL's - 4 Pack Aux Gauges - Steering Controls - AAC Afterburners - DIY Led Sidemarkers - ZL1 Front End Next mod: Done!

10-14-2011, 07:07 PM	#8
jesserayjames Drives: Drives a 2012 IOM 2SS/RS 6M Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Jersey Posts: 4,860 View My Garage	That's good news, just ordered a 2012 2SS/RS 6M............. __________________ CAMARO 2SS/RS 6M

10-14-2011, 07:10 PM	#9
BlackPlague Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT (Prod. #115) Join Date: May 2011 Location: Gloucester County, NJ Posts: 116	so is this the first step to GM fixing our issue? or are they still going to deny it? __________________ 2011 Chevy Camaro 2LT/RS Vert A6 in CGM -mods pending ;D 2010 Chevy Camaro 1LT 6M, Prod #115, Black W/ Cyber Grey stripes [TRADED]

10-14-2011, 03:59 PM	#2
ponbigi Drives: 2011 CAMARO LS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 326	Wow if there is anyway that you can find something.offical about the rings going to carbon that would be most helpful

10-14-2011, 06:12 PM	#4
Russell James Drives: '15 SS 1LE, '69 Z28 drag car Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mich Posts: 4,483	Any word if the '12s already come with these parts?

10-14-2011, 07:15 PM	#10
chevy 3 NEcamaro5 Drives: Black 2ss rs 1LE Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: mass Posts: 4,328 View My Garage	I want to find out also. Can I get mine fixed if I go to the dealer ?

10-14-2011, 08:12 PM	#11
2ss-booya Drives: 2015 SS Sedan M6 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,086	I can't say for sure (because I havent taken the tranny apart)...but I had a 10' ss m6 and I now have a 12' ss m6 and the tranny definitely feels different (For the better)...i have not for once had an issue with 2nd gear like i did with the 10'

10-15-2011, 04:08 PM	#12
Kilo-9 Dog Is My Copilot Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,394	Great info. Thanks! I'm getting the 1-2 grind on my '11... __________________

10-15-2011, 09:33 PM	#13
toasterfires Drives: BMW 328i Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tyngsboro, MA Posts: 24	I would be extremely interested in knowing if there might be an update for these in the 2010 V6 AY6 transmission as well. I am on the verge of selling my camaro just to avoid the hassle of dealing with the tranny issues in the future. If there are updated parts that might fix the grinding/binding that would be awesome news.

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