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damian559 · 03-25-2015, 12:18 AM

I get asked this at least once a week on this forum, so I'd like to make a thread about it to see what you guys think. Everybody thinks I made up my numbers or have more done than I say. My 2015 1LE made 442 rwhp and 431 rwtq on a conservative Mustang Dyno. My only mods are Stainless Power 1 7/8 " long tube headers, cat-less mid pipes, CAI intake, and a dyno tune. When I took my car to get my parts installed and tuned, I asked my tuner what he though it'd make and he said probably around 405-415rwhp, because his dyno is known for giving low numbers. When I go pick it up the next day he says you won't believe how much it made, and when he told me I didn't believe him at first. He said he pulled my car off the dyno and put on his truck and another car that he knows the numbers on and they put out the exact same. He had no explanation except that I got an exceptional engine.

This past Saturday the same shop hosted a Dyno Day, and wasn't planning on dynoing my car because it was just tuned back in December and knew what it made. After a few cars had gone up, and were disappointed by their numbers I decided to re-dyno my car to see if it was just fluke back when it was tuned. Sure enough it surprised me again, for being 40 (88 degrees) degrees warmer outside than what it was back in December. I put down 437 rwhp and 428 rwtq. Everyone was saying I have a mild cam or polished heads, and coming up with every excuse they could to justify the numbers. Just to compare numbers with other cars here are a few examples of what they put down:
2015 Stingray 7-speed (stock) - 403 rwhp
2014 5.0 Mustang 6-speed manual(longtube headers, borla catback, cobra-jet intake, cai, tune) - 418rwhp
2013 Mustang 5.0 automatic (long tube headers, cai, dyno tune) -378rwhp
2006 6.0 GTO 6-speed (full bolt ons, cam, heads and tune) - 425 rwhp
2012 Camaro SS automatic (long tubes, cai, hand held tune) - 376 rwhp
2006 LS2 Corvette automatic (full bolt ons, cam, dyno tune) -391rwhp
2012 ZL1 automatic (long tubes, cai and tune) -460 rwhp
2012 Corvette GS automatic (2.9L Whipple, catback, cai, and tune) 520rwhp

I was just curious if anybody else has received high numbers in their bolt on cars, especially their 1LEs. Lastly, I'll be going in next week for a cam swap (low 230 lift), what numbers should I expect?

Candr3535 · 03-25-2015, 12:27 AM

Sounds like you have an exceptional engine my friend. I'm getting mine dynoed next week. Hope I have the same exceptional engine

j.curt · 03-25-2015, 12:31 AM

I have a 2012 SS LS3. I have long tube headers, Ported TB, and a CAI. Before the tune my car put down 430HP on a DynoJet. The tune only added 7HP. The people tuning the car said every once in awhile they see a car with basic bolt-ons that put down good numbers.

Cam77 · 03-25-2015, 12:34 AM

Damn those are some pretty good numbers!

thkfast · 03-25-2015, 01:52 AM

1LE owners know the 1LE is a special separate model of Camaro, this just proves it.

Naw, just kidding on that.

I'd say you got an extraordinary car! Someone should tear down the motor to find out what's different!

CrystalRedTintcoat · 03-25-2015, 01:57 AM

I'm getting 437/424 with shorty headers, mid pipes, CAI and a tune.

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Casperadub70 · 03-25-2015, 04:02 AM

Sounds right. I have what you have along with a Cam and i was dynoed at 482.9 rwhp.

Also completely stock i was dynoed against other camaros (non 1LE) and i pulled 379 rwhp.

TJ91 · 03-25-2015, 04:06 AM

one of our Mods Tag had a factory freak of a motor if I recall

Indydriver · 03-25-2015, 04:23 AM

It's the Mustang dyno. Go check it on a dyno jet somewhere.

14Black1LESS · 03-25-2015, 04:26 AM

When the LS3 first came out, there was a post on the Corvette Forum with someone only putting on longtube headers and a X-pipe with a dyno tune and it gained roughly 30-40hp, I don't remember what the stock dyno was on the car though. Given that you have a CAI also and that GM always underrates their engines, Id say that's probably about right. The new LT1 is really underrated also. Have to love how GM underrates their cars.

Mutant Racer · 03-25-2015, 04:55 AM

Some Dyno's are most generous than others with the numbers but I'd gather you boys broke your Camaro's in proper.

JantzenOKC · 03-25-2015, 05:30 AM

So how DID you do your break in damian559? Hard break in or nice and easy like the manual says? I bet he broke it in hard.

JantzenOKC · 03-25-2015, 05:38 AM

I think a mustang dyno shows lower than a dynojet.

thkfast · 03-25-2015, 06:20 AM

I've also heard Mustang Dyno's read more optimistic than Dynojet.

Stock LS3 with open NPP + Air Raid Intake = I pulled 388 hp on a Dynojet which seemed reasonable at the time.

03-25-2015, 12:18 AM	#1
damian559 Drives: 2015 1SS, 1LE, Recaro, NPP Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 927	Factory Freak? I get asked this at least once a week on this forum, so I'd like to make a thread about it to see what you guys think. Everybody thinks I made up my numbers or have more done than I say. My 2015 1LE made 442 rwhp and 431 rwtq on a conservative Mustang Dyno. My only mods are Stainless Power 1 7/8 " long tube headers, cat-less mid pipes, CAI intake, and a dyno tune. When I took my car to get my parts installed and tuned, I asked my tuner what he though it'd make and he said probably around 405-415rwhp, because his dyno is known for giving low numbers. When I go pick it up the next day he says you won't believe how much it made, and when he told me I didn't believe him at first. He said he pulled my car off the dyno and put on his truck and another car that he knows the numbers on and they put out the exact same. He had no explanation except that I got an exceptional engine. This past Saturday the same shop hosted a Dyno Day, and wasn't planning on dynoing my car because it was just tuned back in December and knew what it made. After a few cars had gone up, and were disappointed by their numbers I decided to re-dyno my car to see if it was just fluke back when it was tuned. Sure enough it surprised me again, for being 40 (88 degrees) degrees warmer outside than what it was back in December. I put down 437 rwhp and 428 rwtq. Everyone was saying I have a mild cam or polished heads, and coming up with every excuse they could to justify the numbers. Just to compare numbers with other cars here are a few examples of what they put down: 2015 Stingray 7-speed (stock) - 403 rwhp 2014 5.0 Mustang 6-speed manual(longtube headers, borla catback, cobra-jet intake, cai, tune) - 418rwhp 2013 Mustang 5.0 automatic (long tube headers, cai, dyno tune) -378rwhp 2006 6.0 GTO 6-speed (full bolt ons, cam, heads and tune) - 425 rwhp 2012 Camaro SS automatic (long tubes, cai, hand held tune) - 376 rwhp 2006 LS2 Corvette automatic (full bolt ons, cam, dyno tune) -391rwhp 2012 ZL1 automatic (long tubes, cai and tune) -460 rwhp 2012 Corvette GS automatic (2.9L Whipple, catback, cai, and tune) 520rwhp I was just curious if anybody else has received high numbers in their bolt on cars, especially their 1LEs. Lastly, I'll be going in next week for a cam swap (low 230 lift), what numbers should I expect? __________________ 2015 Summit White 1SS, 1LE, Recaros, NPP 498 RWHP 447 RWTQ (Motor) 647 RWHP 723 RWTQ (150 Shot) 12.1 @ 117 (Motor) 11.7 @ 129 (Nitrous) Nitrous Outlet Single Nozzle Kit \| Stand Alone Fuel Cell w/ C16 \| Custom Grind Cam \| Stainless Power 1 7/8 LT Headers \| CAI Intake \| ATI Super Damper \| BMR Trailing Arms & Toe Links \| Prothane Polyurethane Sub-frame Bushings \| JDP Upper Control Arm Bushings \| MT Drag Radials \| Tuned by SS Motorsports Youtube Channel: Click Here Last edited by damian559; 03-25-2015 at 12:50 AM.

03-25-2015, 12:27 AM	#2
Candr3535 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Triple Black Vert M6 #5591 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Galloway,NJ Posts: 747 View My Garage	Sounds like you have an exceptional engine my friend. I'm getting mine dynoed next week. Hope I have the same exceptional engine __________________ 695 RWHP / 660 RWTQ @ 13.5 PSI Dyna-Tech Headers Ceramic Coated w/Super Flo Cats, JRE Custom Rough Idle Racing Cam Package and 125 RWHP Pulley Kit w/ 28% pulley, Custom Tune by Ted, ID850 injectors, JMS Fuel Booster, NGK Plugs, MSD Plug Wires, Roto-Fab CAI, Roto-Fab Big Gulp, Elite Catch Can, Mild to Wild, 90mm VMaxx Ported Throttle Body, Skip Shift Elim., D3 Coolant Resevoir, Separated Clutch Resevoir, and Fuzzy Red Dice..

03-25-2015, 01:52 AM	#5
thkfast Drives: '14 Red 2SS/RS/LS3 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 692	1LE owners know the 1LE is a special separate model of Camaro, this just proves it. Naw, just kidding on that. I'd say you got an extraordinary car! Someone should tear down the motor to find out what's different! __________________ 2014 Red Hot 2SS/RS/M6/NPP/Shifter/Nav/Roof/SilverRallyStripes/Airaid intake/GM StrutTowerBrace/50%-35%tint

03-25-2015, 01:57 AM	#6
CrystalRedTintcoat Drives: 2013 2SS 1LE NPP GBE Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Bay Area, online, & in my 1LE Posts: 2,667 View My Garage	Factory Freak? I'm getting 437/424 with shorty headers, mid pipes, CAI and a tune. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=83 -CRT Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ 2013 1LE NPP GBE Mods Track Days

03-25-2015, 04:02 AM	#7
Casperadub70 Drives: 2014 1LE Camaro, 95 Z28 Camaro Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: America Posts: 940	Sounds right. I have what you have along with a Cam and i was dynoed at 482.9 rwhp. Also completely stock i was dynoed against other camaros (non 1LE) and i pulled 379 rwhp. __________________ 2014 1LE 2SS Camaro Recaro seats, Custom Cam, Kooks LT headers, CAI intake, Z/28 Spoiler, Z/28 Belly Pan, Z/28 Brake Air Ducts, Stainless Steel breaklines, BMR Toe Rods and Trailing Arms resulting in 482.49 RWHP

03-25-2015, 12:31 AM	#3
j.curt Drives: 2017 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: California Posts: 952 View My Garage	I have a 2012 SS LS3. I have long tube headers, Ported TB, and a CAI. Before the tune my car put down 430HP on a DynoJet. The tune only added 7HP. The people tuning the car said every once in awhile they see a car with basic bolt-ons that put down good numbers.

03-25-2015, 12:34 AM	#4
Cam77 Drives: 2015 2SS/1LE/NPP Join Date: May 2014 Location: El Paso Posts: 130	Damn those are some pretty good numbers!

03-25-2015, 04:06 AM	#8
TJ91 :chevy: Drives: 2LT/RS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 13,033	one of our Mods Tag had a factory freak of a motor if I recall __________________ CAMARO Consult your doctor before taking Camaro Side effects include Sudden increase in Heart Rate, Insomnia and occasional hallucinations If you experience Permagrin exceeding 4 hours after taking Camaro, seek immediate Camaro5 Help CAMARO Bringing excitment back into the Garage

03-25-2015, 04:23 AM	#9
Indydriver Drives: '14 2SS/RS Vert 6M/KTU/NPP/DTA/ARH Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,826	It's the Mustang dyno. Go check it on a dyno jet somewhere. __________________ Consensus is, by definition, a lack of leadership.

03-25-2015, 04:26 AM	#10
14Black1LESS Drives: 2014 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Hurricane Alley Posts: 697	When the LS3 first came out, there was a post on the Corvette Forum with someone only putting on longtube headers and a X-pipe with a dyno tune and it gained roughly 30-40hp, I don't remember what the stock dyno was on the car though. Given that you have a CAI also and that GM always underrates their engines, Id say that's probably about right. The new LT1 is really underrated also. Have to love how GM underrates their cars. __________________

03-25-2015, 04:55 AM	#11
Mutant Racer Drives: 2015 2LT Torch Red C7 Stingray Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,807 View My Garage	Some Dyno's are most generous than others with the numbers but I'd gather you boys broke your Camaro's in proper.

03-25-2015, 05:30 AM	#12
JantzenOKC Drives: '13 2LT/RS Twin Turbo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma Posts: 3,073	So how DID you do your break in damian559? Hard break in or nice and easy like the manual says? I bet he broke it in hard.

03-25-2015, 05:38 AM	#13
JantzenOKC Drives: '13 2LT/RS Twin Turbo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma Posts: 3,073	I think a mustang dyno shows lower than a dynojet.

03-25-2015, 06:20 AM	#14
thkfast Drives: '14 Red 2SS/RS/LS3 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 692	I've also heard Mustang Dyno's read more optimistic than Dynojet. Stock LS3 with open NPP + Air Raid Intake = I pulled 388 hp on a Dynojet which seemed reasonable at the time. __________________ 2014 Red Hot 2SS/RS/M6/NPP/Shifter/Nav/Roof/SilverRallyStripes/Airaid intake/GM StrutTowerBrace/50%-35%tint