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MikeLA2011ss · 01-13-2012, 12:01 AM

whats up everyone, I am going s/c hopefully my mid summer. I definitely am going to have a fully built short block when I do. I'm looking for advice on what size/ which connecting rods/ pistons, etc i should go with to have the best reliability and power potential. Elaborate on answers, thanks, mike

JLE58 · 01-13-2012, 04:24 AM

Leaving way to much out bud. What kind of Power are you wanting to make?

Jchaluja · 01-13-2012, 07:42 AM

are you using your own block?

MikeLA2011ss · 01-13-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JLE58

Leaving way to much out bud. What kind of Power are you wanting to make?

i want to be in the 800 area, im going with a centrifugal supercharger.

MikeLA2011ss · 01-13-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jchaluja

are you using your own block?

im not sure thats what im trying to figure out, should i use my own block, buy one already bored out with forged internals.. i mean im trying to get the best advice on exactly what i should do for a short block path.

Z_Rocks · 01-13-2012, 12:24 PM

Mike, the best advice I can give you is to get advice from those who do this work for living. There have been lots of people from LA who went to TX to ADM Performance. My Advice to you, is, to talk to Andy at ADM Performance (one of the best in the country) and have him help you with decision and perhaps do the work for you. This is a complex undertaking with many variables (if done correctly) and should be done correctly. Good luck!

Padre · 01-13-2012, 12:26 PM

Least expensive but very effective would be to forge and stroke your stock block: 416cid. You can choose the crank and rods/pistons, etc. and build it to handle whatever you want to throw at it. You can also use a lot of your current components (port your heads, intake, etc.).

The iron LSX block is also a good start if you want to start from scratch, 427-454cid.

An aluminum LS7 block would also be a good start for an aluminum 427 build, but there are more issues with building it for a Camaro. Plus, lots more expensive.

If I could afford it and didn't mind the time it would take to remove and forge my stock motor, that's the route I would take.

BTW, I'm adding a Procharger D1, starting today

, to my stock L99/LS3 block, heads, etc.

Padre

MileMAN402 · 01-13-2012, 12:35 PM

I'll be doing forged crank, rods, and pistons too as Padre said

camslambam · 01-13-2012, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Padre

Least expensive but very effective would be to forge and stroke your stock block: 416cid. You can choose the crank and rods/pistons, etc. and build it to handle whatever you want to throw at it. You can also use a lot of your current components (port your heads, intake, etc.).

The iron LSX block is also a good start if you want to start from scratch, 427-454cid.

An aluminum LS7 block would also be a good start for an aluminum 427 build, but there are more issues with building it for a Camaro. Plus, lots more expensive.

If I could afford it and didn't mind the time it would take to remove and forge my stock motor, that's the route I would take.

BTW, I'm adding a Procharger D1, starting today

, to my stock L99/LS3 block, heads, etc.

Padre

I'm guessing for him to hit 800s he's going to have to boost 15ish.... Will the aluminum blocks handle that????

I just got done seeing how a ford aluminum block go bye bye with less than a 1,000 miles on a cobra boosting 13..

jrpxxii · 01-13-2012, 12:50 PM

I would go with an LSX or RHS block. LSX block is a little heavier but cheaper. Either one you can build to hold whatever kind of power you can throw at them.

Padre · 01-13-2012, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camslambam

I'm guessing for him to hit 800s he's going to have to boost 15ish.... Will the aluminum blocks handle that????

I just got done seeing how a ford aluminum block go bye bye with less than a 1,000 miles on a cobra boosting 13..

Well, I don't know. Doesn't look like if he even knows if he's shooting for more than 800rwhp.

But you're probably right.

Edit: here's a helpful article for the OP with the basics:
http://www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/en...rviving-boost/

Padre

MikeLA2011ss · 01-13-2012, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Padre

Well, I don't know. Doesn't look like if he even knows if he's shooting for more than 800rwhp.

But you're probably right.

Edit: here's a helpful article for the OP with the basics:
http://www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/en...rviving-boost/

Padre

max hp will be 800-850.

camslambam · 01-13-2012, 02:19 PM

Not to be a downer here but you're shooting pretty high without knowing a whole lot man.

800-850 rwhp that's roughly 1000hp at the block.
You'll need to research into transmissions, rear ends, differentials. It's going to cost A LOT.

Like everyone here said, contact a reputable shop that builds engines and cars for people wanting that much hp. They'll be able to inform you much better than us on here. Research a lot too. Take advice from the guys on here. RESEARCH. Don't just jump into this... Seen way too many people just say "i want x rwhp on my car" and go for the first thing they find and they end up regretting it and spending 3x 4x as much to fix things.

800-850rwhp is no joke. That mods turbo one is at like 813rwhp with a twin turbo setup and he's invested a shitload of money into it... I think he said somewhere like 2x what the car cost him. Just be prepared man.

My advice... Max out your stock block and have fun. stock bottoms will handle 600-700rwhp. Check out bull f-16 thread. He just hit 7xx rwhp on stock bottom.

2K11SS · 01-13-2012, 02:40 PM

Getting to that HP level requires tons of other upgrades to go along with it. Transmission, rear end, fuel pumps, suspension, tires and on and on. Even more if you plan on going to a track. Having that kind of horsepower is fun (really fun), but it ain't cheap and it's a handful to drive on the street.

01-13-2012, 12:01 AM	#1
MikeLA2011ss Drives: 2011 TT 416ci Camaro Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lafayette la Posts: 130 View My Garage	Best short block for s/c build? whats up everyone, I am going s/c hopefully my mid summer. I definitely am going to have a fully built short block when I do. I'm looking for advice on what size/ which connecting rods/ pistons, etc i should go with to have the best reliability and power potential. Elaborate on answers, thanks, mike

01-13-2012, 12:26 PM	#7
Padre Only drives on Sundays Drives: '16 2SS A8 NPP MRC NGray Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Dalton, GA Posts: 2,500 View My Garage	Least expensive but very effective would be to forge and stroke your stock block: 416cid. You can choose the crank and rods/pistons, etc. and build it to handle whatever you want to throw at it. You can also use a lot of your current components (port your heads, intake, etc.). The iron LSX block is also a good start if you want to start from scratch, 427-454cid. An aluminum LS7 block would also be a good start for an aluminum 427 build, but there are more issues with building it for a Camaro. Plus, lots more expensive. If I could afford it and didn't mind the time it would take to remove and forge my stock motor, that's the route I would take. BTW, I'm adding a Procharger D1, starting today , to my stock L99/LS3 block, heads, etc. Padre __________________ OLD HOTNESS: The "Heretic": '11 2SS/RS L99 A6 Black/Inferno. Build Journal, Videos D1SC GT9 JBA-LT = 720/680 \| 10.330 @ 133.61, 1.546 sixty... Camaro King at ECS V, Darlington. NEW HOTNESS: '16 2SS A8 NPP MRC. Bone Stock, 1/8th: 8.051 @ 89.44, 1.919

01-13-2012, 12:35 PM	#8
MileMAN402 RIP JoePa Drives: 2010 2SS/RS & 2001 Audi S4 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Central PA Posts: 644 View My Garage	I'll be doing forged crank, rods, and pistons too as Padre said __________________

01-13-2012, 12:50 PM	#10
jrpxxii Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS 427ci Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bowling Green, Ky Posts: 3,355	I would go with an LSX or RHS block. LSX block is a little heavier but cheaper. Either one you can build to hold whatever kind of power you can throw at them. __________________

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01-13-2012, 04:24 AM	#2
JLE58 Drives: CGM,twin turbo, cam 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ROCKMART, GA Posts: 2,185	Leaving way to much out bud. What kind of Power are you wanting to make?

01-13-2012, 07:42 AM	#3
Jchaluja Drives: ZL1 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,321	are you using your own block?

01-13-2012, 12:24 PM	#6
Z_Rocks Drives: everyone crazy... Join Date: May 2009 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,109	Mike, the best advice I can give you is to get advice from those who do this work for living. There have been lots of people from LA who went to TX to ADM Performance. My Advice to you, is, to talk to Andy at ADM Performance (one of the best in the country) and have him help you with decision and perhaps do the work for you. This is a complex undertaking with many variables (if done correctly) and should be done correctly. Good luck!

01-13-2012, 02:19 PM	#13
camslambam Account Suspended Drives: 2010 SS, 06 SRT10 Ram Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: C. America Posts: 1,658	Not to be a downer here but you're shooting pretty high without knowing a whole lot man. 800-850 rwhp that's roughly 1000hp at the block. You'll need to research into transmissions, rear ends, differentials. It's going to cost A LOT. Like everyone here said, contact a reputable shop that builds engines and cars for people wanting that much hp. They'll be able to inform you much better than us on here. Research a lot too. Take advice from the guys on here. RESEARCH. Don't just jump into this... Seen way too many people just say "i want x rwhp on my car" and go for the first thing they find and they end up regretting it and spending 3x 4x as much to fix things. 800-850rwhp is no joke. That mods turbo one is at like 813rwhp with a twin turbo setup and he's invested a shitload of money into it... I think he said somewhere like 2x what the car cost him. Just be prepared man. My advice... Max out your stock block and have fun. stock bottoms will handle 600-700rwhp. Check out bull f-16 thread. He just hit 7xx rwhp on stock bottom.

01-13-2012, 02:40 PM	#14
2K11SS Bayou City Muscle Cars Drives: 11 Camaro SS LSX & 12 Corvette GS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: When you get to the middle of nowhere keep going I live past that Posts: 193	Getting to that HP level requires tons of other upgrades to go along with it. Transmission, rear end, fuel pumps, suspension, tires and on and on. Even more if you plan on going to a track. Having that kind of horsepower is fun (really fun), but it ain't cheap and it's a handful to drive on the street.