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Old 12-14-2010, 06:48 PM   #57
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And and a 911 Turbo from 10 years ago is faster still, it too only has 6 cylinders. Whats your point? Its not as if the V6 Camaro was ever supposed to be the be-all and end-all of Camaro performance.

Engine configuration isn't really a meaningful way to compare 2 cars. I'd go by price and performance, since thats what people actually use to shop with. I can't think of too many people where a V6 (or any other engine) is a selling point in and of itself. They'll want the more efficient engine, or the more powerful one, or the cheaper one, etc. But buying based solely on the number of cylinders and their arrangement? Not so much.


i agree, its rediculus. take the money difference and turbo the Camaro. performance is similar then.
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:00 PM   #58
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*INFINITI

Well you say it as if it's just a fact, most people like it, Infiniti intentionally acoustically tuned the exhaust and gave it that distinctive sound because so many people like it. It's not offensive in normal driving, but has a fierce jaguar esque roar at full throttle.... It is not as refined or smooth, but it's meant to be that way and those characteristics of the engine match the personality of the car and the way it accelerates perfectly.
There is never anything close to agreement on what sounds 'good'. Some like the exhaust note to be deep and mellow, others prefer a higher tone with more of a bark to it. Some like it smooth, others want it to be harsh and aggressive. To each their own. But when someone expresses an opinion about something so subjective as whether they like an exhaust note or not, just accept it and move on.
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Old 12-15-2010, 07:55 AM   #59
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Gs are all slow V6 can crack it fairly easily. All the times for the V6 stock arent with very goods drivers it seems. That one dude who was on the homepage ran 13.4 with just a tune and bolt ons. These cars are much faster than you think.
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:51 PM   #60
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my sis has a 2010 jaguar XF, and the V6 in any car should not be mentioned in its category. The Nissan V6 does not sound like a Jag V8.

I was talking about an actual Jaguar in the wild, it's roar isn't overly low in pitch, it's more baritone but can rise to a high fierce growl, like a Jaguar.

I have not said anything negative about anyone else's car exhaust either, so take a chill pill.



You are right, it sounds more like a high revving BMW M3 V8 or Porsche's Flat 6(you can hear it far away and it sounds amazing shifting when it's so far away yet so close, it sounds just about as "snarly" as the BMW) .

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Old 12-15-2010, 10:57 PM   #61
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I was talking about an actual Jaguar in the wild, it's roar isn't overly low in pitch, it's more baritone but can rise to a high fierce growl, like a Jaguar.

I have not said anything negative about anyone else's car exhaust either, so take a chill pill.



You are right, it sounds more like a high revving Ferrari V6(if there was one, listen to it drive away and you can hear it far away and it sounds amazing shifting when it's so far away yet so close).


subjectively the nissan V6 does sound good. the last one i heard sounded great, until waxed his behind and shifted at 7k. HE was the one thinking how good another car sounds. (nismo 370z)
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:07 PM   #62
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Gs are all slow V6 can crack it fairly easily. All the times for the V6 stock arent with very goods drivers it seems. That one dude who was on the homepage ran 13.4 with just a tune and bolt ons. These cars are much faster than you think.
Stock for Stock, just about any G35 will beat it, certainly a G37. Here's the G37 4-door sedan stock vs a stock Camaro RS, the Camaro had a reaction time of .050, the G driver had one of .269, yet the G sedan still won by .7 seconds and the Camaro was even visible in the G37's(Automatic G-sedan at that) rearview mirror.

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Old 12-16-2010, 04:33 AM   #63
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imagine, a 6 years older car is faster than your 2010 V6, hahaha

still trolling I see lol
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:21 PM   #64
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still trolling I see lol
I know right ?? In the same video that picture is in, the american Mustang beat it in a drag race.... irony ?
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:27 PM   #65
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I'm not seeing any evidence that a G35 has an advantage over a V6 Camaro. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of data for the stock V6 on the Camaro 5 fast list; but, when you compare the times for NA/Bolt-ons, they're pretty similar:


Bolt Ons (Modified airway, exhaust, tires, tune - no internal engine or power adders):
1. 13.420 @ 103.22 - ROD1 - A6 - (DRs/Skinnies, Injen CAI, ARH Longtubes/High Flow Cats, SS Axle Back, Trifecta Tune)
2. 13.741 @ 99.97 - 67 GTO - A6 - (Injen CAI, JBA Shorty Headers, GMPP Axle Back)
3. 13.744 @ 99.30 - HDRS - A6 - (DRs, Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back)

VS.

1. trey.hutcheson - 05 - Sedan - 6MT - 13.264@103.96 - 1.895 60ft - Verified --- BFG DR's -- 975ft DA
2. Dsskyline ------ 04 - Coupe - 5AT - 13.495@101.69 - 1.933 60ft - Verified --- Street
3. abailey269 ----- 04 - Sedan - 6MT - 13.631@101.57 - 1.966 60ft - Verified --- BFG DR's



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Although, if you look at the signature of the guy at the top of the fast list on that particular forum, you can see his mods: 05 6MT Sedan. stock airbox, ztube, mrev, ichiba headers, kinetix pipes, stillen gen1 catback, Clutchmasters Stage1+JWT Fly, utec tuned by sharif + BFG's = 13.264@103.96mph in 975 feet DA



Pretty close, if you ask me. Especially considering the Camaro has only been around for under two years. Unfortunately, the G35 fast list doesn't seem to carry many details regarding the mods used during the timed runs.

Part of the problem with a stock-for-stock comparison of the G35 and the Camaro V6 is that the Camaro LTs come with ungodly large wheels and tires. ROD1 has already shown us that much by cutting .4 second off his 1/4 with a tire-swap (going from 13.8xx to 13.4xx).

Of course, the Z is a different animal. I'd have to say it has a slight advantage over a Camaro V6. Personally, I like the G's and Z's a bit and they're respectable automobiles; but, I much prefer the styling of the Camaro.
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Old 12-16-2010, 07:06 PM   #66
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Had a G35 Coupe, was my wifes daily driver, I hated the narrow cabin, stability control cut inn way too fast, on off ramp my Acura RL could go faster, no comparison with my SS in acceleration or cornering, drag strip times don't matter that much, a friends THR supercharged SS can do no better than 103 mph, with 550 rwhp, spins in first three gears.
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Had a G35 Coupe, was my wifes daily driver, I hated the narrow cabin, stability control cut inn way too fast, on off ramp my Acura RL could go faster, no comparison with my SS in acceleration or cornering, drag strip times don't matter that much, a friends THR supercharged SS can do no better than 103 mph, with 550 rwhp, spins in first three gears.

I have to agree with you about the interior. The cockpit of my friend's G35 Coupe seems very claustrophobic compared to other vehicles, especially the Camaro.
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Had a G35 Coupe, was my wifes daily driver, I hated the narrow cabin, stability control cut inn way too fast, on off ramp my Acura RL could go faster, no comparison with my SS in acceleration or cornering, drag strip times don't matter that much, a friends THR supercharged SS can do no better than 103 mph, with 550 rwhp, spins in first three gears.
I had used to have a 2006 Acura RL sh-awd and it could keep a lot of speed around decreasing radius corners with it's torque vectoring rear differenital, it was hands down the best car I have ever had in the snow. Never got stuck, I went through hood up to the snow once(had to floor it and keep VSA off) and it never faltered, I loved that car. My G feels lighter and more hollow, though it does have MUCH less body roll/lean, but I have a 2nd gen which is worlds better than the god awful 1st gen(well the coupe looks nice I guess).
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Old 12-17-2010, 11:23 AM   #69
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I'm not seeing any evidence that a G35 has an advantage over a V6 Camaro. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of data for the stock V6 on the Camaro 5 fast list; but, when you compare the times for NA/Bolt-ons, they're pretty similar:


Bolt Ons (Modified airway, exhaust, tires, tune - no internal engine or power adders):
1. 13.420 @ 103.22 - ROD1 - A6 - (DRs/Skinnies, Injen CAI, ARH Longtubes/High Flow Cats, SS Axle Back, Trifecta Tune)
2. 13.741 @ 99.97 - 67 GTO - A6 - (Injen CAI, JBA Shorty Headers, GMPP Axle Back)
3. 13.744 @ 99.30 - HDRS - A6 - (DRs, Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back)

VS.

1. trey.hutcheson - 05 - Sedan - 6MT - 13.264@103.96 - 1.895 60ft - Verified --- BFG DR's -- 975ft DA
2. Dsskyline ------ 04 - Coupe - 5AT - 13.495@101.69 - 1.933 60ft - Verified --- Street
3. abailey269 ----- 04 - Sedan - 6MT - 13.631@101.57 - 1.966 60ft - Verified --- BFG DR's



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Although, if you look at the signature of the guy at the top of the fast list on that particular forum, you can see his mods: 05 6MT Sedan. stock airbox, ztube, mrev, ichiba headers, kinetix pipes, stillen gen1 catback, Clutchmasters Stage1+JWT Fly, utec tuned by sharif + BFG's = 13.264@103.96mph in 975 feet DA



Pretty close, if you ask me. Especially considering the Camaro has only been around for under two years. Unfortunately, the G35 fast list doesn't seem to carry many details regarding the mods used during the timed runs.

Part of the problem with a stock-for-stock comparison of the G35 and the Camaro V6 is that the Camaro LTs come with ungodly large wheels and tires. ROD1 has already shown us that much by cutting .4 second off his 1/4 with a tire-swap (going from 13.8xx to 13.4xx).

Of course, the Z is a different animal. I'd have to say it has a slight advantage over a Camaro V6. Personally, I like the G's and Z's a bit and they're respectable automobiles; but, I much prefer the styling of the Camaro.
Pretty good analysis. I just happen to be that dude at the top of the list.

Stock my car dyno'd 242whp/210wtq. After all those mods, I dyno'd 265whp/250wtq. So all those mods and the tune yielded less than 20hp and roughly 40tq (talking peak numbers here). Under the curve, it the car became much harder to drive and lost quite a bit of torque under ~3500rpm. That same car also went 13.791@102mph with nothing more than highflow cats on street tires.


Anyway, my point is that that platform is very hard to get any power out of. I think the cars would be pretty close stock or modded either way, but I think the camaro will ultimately have a higher ceiling.
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Anyway, my point is that that platform is very hard to get any power out of. I think the cars would be pretty close stock or modded either way, but I think the camaro will ultimately have a higher ceiling.
I very much agree that the Camaro V6 has a bright modded future ahead of it. We're already starting to see V6 Camaros put 400+ HP to the wheels with the STS remote turbo kit. The last anyone appears to have tested, there were still problems with fuel-delivery at WOT which prevented taking it to anything above 5 psi boost; and, even then, there were still problems at WOT.

The fuel delivery issue appears to have been addressed with some tuning adjustments by Vince at Trifecta (who seems to be legend on these boards now ), but there haven't been any drag times to see if the power can be effectively put down. Suspension and brake mods are going to be a must to use the extra power, that much seems certain.
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