Do you want a ZL1 automatic transmission option? - Page 18 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

thePill · 02-25-2011, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Fezza's are for pussies

If the ZL1 wants to make a chance of being a proper sports car, there's only one way to go: manual shifting.

(all IMO)

Agree 100%... And that comes from an actual European... I'm American, but we need to back off on the automatic "everything".

Shurenuff · 02-25-2011, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thePill

Agree 100%... And that comes from an actual European... I'm American, but we need to back off on the automatic "everything".

DevilKnightFalcon · 02-25-2011, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Fezza's are for pussies

If the ZL1 wants to make a chance of being a proper sports car, there's only one way to go: manual shifting.

(all IMO)

So by your logic cars that offer automatic transmissions are not sports cars? Just to clarify that means the following are not sports cars

Ferrari 458 Italia
Pagani Zonda R
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Murcielago
Lexus LFA
Mercedes SLK350 Roadster
Mercedes SL550 Roadster
Mercedes SLS AMG
Porche 911 Turbo S
Audi R8
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport
Nissan GTR

I don't think I need to continue...

GeorgeDenton · 02-25-2011, 11:14 AM

I intend to buy ZL1 only if GM will offer an automatic as an option. I intend to move the car to an area with lots of steep hills and some traffic. Been waiting for it since 06. If GM will not offer an automatic as an option, they will defiantly loose money from this sale. I probably will buy 2SS instead and modify it to the specs of ZL1 through aftermarket companies, giving them my money (nothing against them). GM will loose the difference between prices of two cars. I rather put money in GM's pocket because i like Chevy and because i don't want them to bankrupt the second time and then pay the same amount in bail money from my taxes.

Another idea i had, is to exchange the manual tranny for an automatic. I know its possible to do it on some cars, but is it possible with high end car like ZL1. And what will i need for that (that might be a topic for another thread tho). But if anybody knows, any input will be welcome.

For manual guys, I know how to drive manual, took me about a day to learn, not perfect at it (nobody is). But I dont want to wreck my 55K (which im guessing it will be, all loaded) car just because im on a 45 degree hill. And whats yall b*tching about??? Manuals will be offered! Stop crying! Also, this thread is not for yall. If yall read the title of the tread, it says "automatic as an option"!!! Weather GM will offer it or not, it does not change anything for yall. Yet again, MANUALS WILL BE OFFERED. Also, how many manuals guys will not even buy ZL1 and voted no on auto? You are not even in their customer base for the car.

P.S. Voting poll is incorrect. Its shows opinions, not actual possible customer base for automatic (at least on this website). Even though the title of the tread says "do you want an automatic option", which concludes that you will buy the car and you want to see an option.

thePill · 02-25-2011, 01:13 PM

I don't understand where people think that a top end halo car produces profit and by not offering an automatic they will lose out on endless amounts of money. GM doesn't need to offer an automatic, if they do offer an automatic, it will cost more to offer one in a limited production run than it will to leave it out. GM is not going to make that much profit on this car (if any) that's how these top level, niche vehicles work. People get confused when hand built vehicles come with prototype equipment. Just because a hand built Zonda comes with a paddle shift doesn't mean its going to be the same automatic that GM offers.. lol... Same thing with IRS, people believe that there is only one kind of IRS and think that they have the Formula 1 inspired set up... The cars mentioned above for the most part are hand built, are in very limited numbers and absolutely have no budget.

Saying that a car simply doesn't appeal to you because there is no option available that fits your needs means that you are not the typical market this type of vehicle is intended for. Does anyone realize the difference in the gas guzzler tax between the two transmissions? Anyone realize that multiple transmission options force GM to build/purchase additional transmissions, test each configuration, warranty the units, and be capable of replacing those transmission for as long as the drivetrain warranty is good for? If an automatic pushes the MSRP up towards $60k w/o the GG tax and consumers decide that it is too much for a Camaro and buy the base ZL1 instead, the options start to cannibalize each other. Asking $50k for a pony car is pushing it as is...

Is having an automatic option, even if the competition doesn't offer one, sooooo important that you are willing to have GM gamble on the first year of availability? Would you really not buy the car if it doesn't come with one?

You do know that the 6L90 is available from GMPP, you can have the transmission if you really want one.. Support the aftermarket...

*radz28* · 02-25-2011, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thePill

I don't understand where people think that a top end halo car produces profit and by not offering an automatic they will lose out on endless amounts of money. GM doesn't need to offer an automatic, if they do offer an automatic, it will cost more to offer one in a limited production run than it will to leave it out. GM is not going to make that much profit on this car (if any) that's how these top level, niche vehicles work. People get confused when hand built vehicles come with prototype equipment. Just because a hand built Zonda comes with a paddle shift doesn't mean its going to be the same automatic that GM offers.. lol... Same thing with IRS, people believe that there is only one kind of IRS and think that they have the Formula 1 inspired set up... The cars mentioned above for the most part are hand built, are in very limited numbers and absolutely have no budget.

Saying that a car simply doesn't appeal to you because there is no option available that fits your needs means that you are not the typical market this type of vehicle is intended for. Does anyone realize the difference in the gas guzzler tax between the two transmissions? Anyone realize that multiple transmission options force GM to build/purchase additional transmissions, test each configuration, warranty the units, and be capable of replacing those transmission for as long as the drivetrain warranty is good for? If an automatic pushes the MSRP up towards $60k w/o the GG tax and consumers decide that it is too much for a Camaro and buy the base ZL1 instead, the options start to cannibalize each other. Asking $50k for a pony car is pushing it as is...

Is having an automatic option, even if the competition doesn't offer one, sooooo important that you are willing to have GM gamble on the first year of availability? Would you really not buy the car if it doesn't come with one?

You do know that the 6L90 is available from GMPP, you can have the transmission if you really want one.. Support the aftermarket...

Another way to think about it is that while one could add a 6L90, then there's no warranty for it.

thePill · 02-25-2011, 01:29 PM

I think some people here are getting a paddle-shift automatic transmission confused with a sequential manual transmission that uses a paddle shift... that is used in popular road racing circuits... Again.... what you see at a race track is not whats in your Cadillac....

thePill · 02-25-2011, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radz28

Another way to think about it is that while one could add a 6L90, then there's no warranty for it.

I remember hearing GM starting a warrantied service like Ford back when the SSX was released. I would ask GMPP if they could dealer install a 6L90...

thePill · 02-25-2011, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilKnightFalcon

So by your logic cars that offer automatic transmissions are not sports cars? Just to clarify that means the following are not sports cars

Ferrari 458 Italia
Pagani Zonda R
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Murcielago
Lexus LFA
Mercedes SLK350 Roadster
Mercedes SL550 Roadster
Mercedes SLS AMG
Porche 911 Turbo S
Audi R8
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport
Nissan GTR

I don't think I need to continue...

Yeah, please don't.. most of those cars use a sequential manual transmission or a dual clutch semi-automatic... If your transmission comes with a torque converter, it is not related to the two transmissions...

Tampa Tuning · 02-25-2011, 01:55 PM

www.TampaTuning.com

I really like the auto after a tune. it can be very fast and fun. From the factory stock, Its a bore.

*radz28* · 02-25-2011, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tampa Tuning

www.TampaTuning.com

I really like the auto after a tune. it can be very fast and fun. From the factory stock, Its a bore.

I know I just mentioned warranty, but this is something I'd look into right away; my bigger stall would already void it anyways, lol. Tuning and a stall on my '02 REALLY changed the car. People are too quick to dismiss and stalled car with a good tranny tune...

badapple · 02-25-2011, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thePill

Yeah, please don't.. most of those cars use a sequential manual transmission or a dual clutch semi-automatic... If your transmission comes with a torque converter, it is not related to the two transmissions...

No confusion. Bottom line is that in five years you'll be hard pressed to find a car maker that offers a manual. Once Porsche adopts their direct injection engines in the entire 911 line, even they will drop the manuals. Only a matter of time. IMO.

thePill · 02-25-2011, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badapple

No confusion. Bottom line is that in five years you'll be hard pressed to find a car maker that offers a manual. Once Porsche adopts their direct injection engines in the entire 911 line, even they will drop the manuals. Only a matter of time. IMO.

I think your overestimating the world wide adaptation of the automatic. In 5 years, manuals will probably be illegal in the US because that's where a majority of stupid automotive standards come from. However, because automatics are more expensive and thought of as an unnecessary cost, the rest of the world will continue to use manuals... It is believed in Europe that we American's cannot drive very good... This is one of the reasons why..

Porsche is a product of Europe, it will always have a manual transmission. It may use an SMG but will never be only offered as just an auto...

thePill · 02-25-2011, 05:25 PM

Most of the exotic sports cars including F1 and other road racing circuits use a SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox), it is NOT an automatic. It is a paddle shift with an electric clutch and has no automatic feature.

A Dual Clutch Semi-Automatic replaces the torque converter with a double clutch assembly and is also paddle shifted. Some Porsche's use this but the same Porsche manual was shown to be faster.

Then you have a regular automatic that has a paddle shift (CTS-V) which everyone thinks it is the exact same thing as what I listed above....

Automatic's are garbage on a road course, they have always been and they will always be....

View Poll Results: Do you want to see an automatic option for the ZL1?
Yes	1,312	66.30%
No	667	33.70%
Voters: 1979. You may not vote on this poll

02-25-2011, 01:55 PM	#248
Tampa Tuning Account Suspended Drives: TAMPA TUNING FACEBOOK & INSTAGRAM Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 3,044	Camaro Tuner in Tampa. www.TampaTuning.com www.TampaTuning.com I really like the auto after a tune. it can be very fast and fun. From the factory stock, Its a bore.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
What do all the abbreviations mean?	CrzyGamr2	5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions	77	12-07-2012 04:34 AM

02-25-2011, 11:14 AM	#242
GeorgeDenton GeorgeLS1 Drives: 2000 Camaro SS V8 LS1 M6 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6	I intend to buy ZL1 only if GM will offer an automatic as an option. I intend to move the car to an area with lots of steep hills and some traffic. Been waiting for it since 06. If GM will not offer an automatic as an option, they will defiantly loose money from this sale. I probably will buy 2SS instead and modify it to the specs of ZL1 through aftermarket companies, giving them my money (nothing against them). GM will loose the difference between prices of two cars. I rather put money in GM's pocket because i like Chevy and because i don't want them to bankrupt the second time and then pay the same amount in bail money from my taxes. Another idea i had, is to exchange the manual tranny for an automatic. I know its possible to do it on some cars, but is it possible with high end car like ZL1. And what will i need for that (that might be a topic for another thread tho). But if anybody knows, any input will be welcome. For manual guys, I know how to drive manual, took me about a day to learn, not perfect at it (nobody is). But I dont want to wreck my 55K (which im guessing it will be, all loaded) car just because im on a 45 degree hill. And whats yall b*tching about??? Manuals will be offered! Stop crying! Also, this thread is not for yall. If yall read the title of the tread, it says "automatic as an option"!!! Weather GM will offer it or not, it does not change anything for yall. Yet again, MANUALS WILL BE OFFERED. Also, how many manuals guys will not even buy ZL1 and voted no on auto? You are not even in their customer base for the car. P.S. Voting poll is incorrect. Its shows opinions, not actual possible customer base for automatic (at least on this website). Even though the title of the tread says "do you want an automatic option", which concludes that you will buy the car and you want to see an option.

02-25-2011, 01:13 PM	#243
thePill Account Suspended Drives: '11 Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kaiserslauthern, Germany Posts: 1,268	I don't understand where people think that a top end halo car produces profit and by not offering an automatic they will lose out on endless amounts of money. GM doesn't need to offer an automatic, if they do offer an automatic, it will cost more to offer one in a limited production run than it will to leave it out. GM is not going to make that much profit on this car (if any) that's how these top level, niche vehicles work. People get confused when hand built vehicles come with prototype equipment. Just because a hand built Zonda comes with a paddle shift doesn't mean its going to be the same automatic that GM offers.. lol... Same thing with IRS, people believe that there is only one kind of IRS and think that they have the Formula 1 inspired set up... The cars mentioned above for the most part are hand built, are in very limited numbers and absolutely have no budget. Saying that a car simply doesn't appeal to you because there is no option available that fits your needs means that you are not the typical market this type of vehicle is intended for. Does anyone realize the difference in the gas guzzler tax between the two transmissions? Anyone realize that multiple transmission options force GM to build/purchase additional transmissions, test each configuration, warranty the units, and be capable of replacing those transmission for as long as the drivetrain warranty is good for? If an automatic pushes the MSRP up towards $60k w/o the GG tax and consumers decide that it is too much for a Camaro and buy the base ZL1 instead, the options start to cannibalize each other. Asking $50k for a pony car is pushing it as is... Is having an automatic option, even if the competition doesn't offer one, sooooo important that you are willing to have GM gamble on the first year of availability? Would you really not buy the car if it doesn't come with one? You do know that the 6L90 is available from GMPP, you can have the transmission if you really want one.. Support the aftermarket...

02-25-2011, 01:29 PM	#245
thePill Account Suspended Drives: '11 Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kaiserslauthern, Germany Posts: 1,268	I think some people here are getting a paddle-shift automatic transmission confused with a sequential manual transmission that uses a paddle shift... that is used in popular road racing circuits... Again.... what you see at a race track is not whats in your Cadillac....

02-25-2011, 05:25 PM	#252
thePill Account Suspended Drives: '11 Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kaiserslauthern, Germany Posts: 1,268	Most of the exotic sports cars including F1 and other road racing circuits use a SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox), it is NOT an automatic. It is a paddle shift with an electric clutch and has no automatic feature. A Dual Clutch Semi-Automatic replaces the torque converter with a double clutch assembly and is also paddle shifted. Some Porsche's use this but the same Porsche manual was shown to be faster. Then you have a regular automatic that has a paddle shift (CTS-V) which everyone thinks it is the exact same thing as what I listed above.... Automatic's are garbage on a road course, they have always been and they will always be....