09-23-2013, 10:04 AM | #1 | |
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Project: Building a 12sec N/A LLT
Disclaimer: I understand that are far easier ways and cheaper ways to get these cars into the 12 sec range ex. Nitrous but that takes away from the whole point of the title. So please if you have nothing nice to say or can't contribute then please don't waste our time and post. However if you feel like it may not work please be nice about it and try to give some reasons as to why
So for the longest time I had this idea in my head. I have always wondered if it would be possible to get these cars into the 12s without going FI. And of course when I say into the 12s I mean breaking 13 flat so like 12.99999 lol. I know it may be a long shot considering the known fastest N/A LLT to me is ROD1 who has gone 13.42@103.22. I know it may be a long shot but I am curious to see if it can be done and I know it will require some $$$ lol. As of right now my fastest pass is a 13.564@102.51. That was with a D.A of 1186. Now my mods on this pass included: Rotofab CAI with Apex Scoop Vmax Ported Throttle Body Mace Stage 3 Ported Intake Plenum Spacer Vmax Black Ice-olator BBK Long Tube headers with HFCs Trifecta Tune LS3 Midpipe with MRT v2 20x10 Nurburgrings all round with General Gmax tires Pfadt Trailing Arms and Outer Trailing Arm Bushings LSR Front and Rear Sway Bars Gasket matched head ports (not sure if this makes a difference) LSR Toe Rods Megan Racing Coilovers MT DR's and Skinnies Took off roughly 294lbs (this includes the weight of the skinnies) Everything I have done so far for weight loss can be see here (I'll try to keep this updated as I go): Quote:
I know a lot more is needed to even get close to this goal and as of now I have a couple things in mind to help get me there (or anyone for that matter). Now some of these things I have already looked into and can be done while others may need a bit more research. So far this is what I have been thinking of adding: Performance SLP 25% Underdrive Pulley Dyno tune with Hp Tuners Rear Subframe Inserts/Bushings Rear Upper Control Arm Bushings Driver Mod Weight Loss Driver Mod Optic Armour Windshield and Side windows (loss of ~14lbs) One tricky thing about this is my car must maintain all the comfort features for daily driving and I do not want the interior all torn out. I am hoping some of you can help and add things to the list that I either forgot about or don't know about. Figured this would be a cool thing to come together on as a community. Sadly in the next two months my car will be going into storage so things may not get interesting for awhile, but that gives me a lot of time to research haha. I am determined to see if this is possible lol even if it will take awhile. Useful links: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161969 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356418 Weight loss http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170965 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267027 Last edited by kjkjr27; 06-30-2016 at 02:05 PM. |
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09-23-2013, 10:09 AM | #2 |
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Gears, 3.91 or 4.10. A Mustang V6 van get into 12's N/A but needs at least 3.73 gears and they have a 300 lbs advantage.
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09-23-2013, 10:19 AM | #3 |
Stop writing "vert", ffs!
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If RacnJcn's "Adaptolator" pans out, you may be able to put his ported LFX IM (also in development). That should be good for a few pounds and could possibly flow as well as, or better than, the Stage 3 LLT IM...
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09-23-2013, 10:24 AM | #4 | |
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True, if I remember correctly the LFX manifold is like 11lbs lighter than the LLT one. |
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09-23-2013, 10:31 AM | #5 |
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You can remove the passanger seat when going to the track...that weighs more than the rear seat.
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09-23-2013, 10:35 AM | #6 |
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Yeah, its an expensive upgrade. I plan on upgrading mine to a 1LE diff, but I want an 11 second car.
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09-23-2013, 10:35 AM | #7 |
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09-23-2013, 10:44 AM | #8 |
having FUN now 13.66@101
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Kevin, as much as I too would love to see either you or I get into the 12's running N/A, personally I don't see it happening. Either you will need to drop another approx. 400 - 600 lbs from the current weight. Or find another 40 - 60 HP. Neither which I think can happen.
I too have damn near every bolt on. Only thing missing is the SLP Pulley. That is not going to add much and is not worth the time, effort and return for me to invest into this mod. My opinion for many of these other mods are as follow: Driveshaft; good idea, but expensive. IPF tune; not going to get you much more than the Trifecta tune you currently have today. Tie Rods; minimum amount of extra help for our builds. Coilovers; minimum amount of extra help for our builds. Stall Convertor; great idea but has not proved out for our builds to be of any help. Mace Cams; not a true bolt on, I am not looking into these, and from what I have seen have not proven themselves out as a end all cure all for some worth the cost HP. Skinnies and slicks, now you’re talking some real help. Look at the top few on the drag list and you will see they were sharing the same set-up for their passes. Driver mod; check back in a year and I might have something for this one, and I will leave it at that. Could be worth a tenth or two in my pass. Taking out the back seat is worth approx.. 30 lbs. unless you remove some seatbelts and brackets too. Battery will save some weight but not that great of an idea for a daily driver. Yes, in order to get to the 3.91 or 4.10 gears you will need an SS rear end. But your feul economy will suffer for the good of a few passes and a quicker ET. I thought about this one too, but my Camaro is not a drag racing car first, so why make that much of a sacrifice for what I truly have it for (DD). Good Luck, I will be following your ideas and build as it goes. PS: I plan to be at the strip again soon and HOPE to generate a new PB. Time will tell.
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I don't mind people saying it isn't posibble as long as they give a reason as to why they think so. I put in the disclaimer to hopefully prevent all the trolling and other nonsense people love to post on these forums. Last edited by kjkjr27; 09-23-2013 at 12:27 PM. |
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09-23-2013, 11:44 AM | #10 |
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Kevin what was the 60 ft on your pass at Indy?
I personally do see it being a possibility. And if I had the funds, I'd already have tried it. But it hinges on one thing. LMR willing to tackle the dyno tuning on anything I throw their way. Here's why I say this. If LMR is willing to dyno tune the mace cams, I think it's possible. Reason I mention LMR is because I fully believe a true dyno tune is best over a mail order tune. If the dyno testing of the mace cams wasn't a fluke and theirs at least a 30hp gain to be had, it becomes something more attainable. Let's just say theoretically we r going with the 10hp = .1 reduction in ET or 100 lbs = .1 reduction in ET. Adding the possible 30+ hp of the cams reduces your et by .3. I don't see how you can't gain some ET with some proper traction and some more ET with some weight reduction. I fully believe that a proper converter on these cars will help (Read: not rx trash) and if it does, I think 12s is attainable. This is all speculation and hopeful thinking from me though. Either way, I think the mods with the most impact if you're aiming for that 12 second slip are good tires, a good converter, and cams (if the gains weren't a fluke) |
09-23-2013, 12:07 PM | #12 |
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A 1.9 to 1.8 will give you some better et
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09-23-2013, 12:24 PM | #13 |
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Hoping the trailing arms and outer bushings help. I know the track was prepped beautifully down in Indy. Unfortunately the one near me not so much
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09-23-2013, 12:52 PM | #14 |
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I too am looking for that 12.99 pass. The biggest gains you will see will be from gearing, and drag wheels with skinnies up front. After fully bolting on the car, start working on reducing weight. Ie carbon hood, trunk, fenders, and doors if you feel froggy. Weight is the biggest disadvantage us V6s have. PFADT suspension will help in more consistent times, and weight savings. Good luck brotha!
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