Camaro Crash in LA Kills One..

[Obzen]

Originally Posted by Jackass

Density / types of people !!??

Like what , short ,tall, color of their skin ?
Just curious .

I think he means. Kids or adults. School zones are obviously slower than industrial areas.

[Jrichards73]

I do security, there are a lot of frames missing, all you are seeing is about 7.5 fps, that makes the car look like it is going a lot faster than it is.

[BigBlock69RS]

Originally Posted by Jrichards73

all you are seeing is about 7.5 fps, that makes the car look like it is going a lot faster than it is.

Exactly.

The real thing to look at is the amount of damage on both vehicles. It is not that much.

If the Camaro was really speeding the initial impact on the first vehicle would be much greater. Sepulveda speed limit is 35-45' which is consistent with the damage and length of skid marks.

Police could tell right away if excess speed was involved and would have arrested the driver if there was a clear case of excessive speed, especially with a death involved.

[Ir0nM4n]

Why is it the smart people post toward the end of these post. To bad they don't test for that on Jury Duty... Oh well I guess a group of pears include the uninformed...

Sad for the loss of life and the injured, one thing from this you just never know when your time is up.

[msp2887]

Originally Posted by Ir0nM4n

Why is it the smart people post toward the end of these post. To bad they don't test for that on Jury Duty... Oh well I guess a group of pears include the uninformed...

Sad for the loss of life and the injured, one thing from this you just never know when your time is up.

Says the person who just confused to and too as well as pear and peer in his attempt to put others down for their so called lack of intelligence...

[goinggone14]

Originally Posted by sonnydurden

He could easily get vehicular homicide.. Even if the accident wasn't entirely his fault if he was excessively speeding.. But sometimes your Camaro can get away from you.. Sometimes I'm cruising on the hwy and look down and I'm doing 90mph!!!.. Its an unfortunate event... Sad

They would have to prove Camaro Driver negligence, and in a case where another vehicle struck it, that seems pretty unlikely on the criminal level. That would imply the Camaro driver was 100% the cause of the death, otherwise they would need to charge both drivers with the crime.

Most people would sympathize with someone who was subjected to an accident as a result of another driver, even if they were speeding (to some degree).

On the civil side, some percentage of negligence can be allocated to either driver to pay out damages. However, a loss in the criminal case will significantly reduce the potential for payouts and would essentially be covered by most insurance policies.

Originally Posted by Caddyroger

Sorry the Camaro drive is about 95% at fault. If he was not speeding he could have stopped before hit the people. He also would not have been there at the time. He should get 30 years with no chance of getting out early.
Look at the driver doing 150 plus. To me they is being an *****. Here is the link.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364799

You're just being ignorant. You can't allocate any percentage of fault to anyone as you have no expertise in the physics of vehicle crashes. Let the experts decide who's at fault here, and don't pretend like you know just from some low-quality video camera footage.

Also, 30 years "with no chance of getting out early" is not even a possible sentence for this accident. Even if you accused the Camaro driver of INTENTIONALLY driving his vehicle into the victim without it being the result of an accident, it STILL wouldn't be what you claim. Don't just write inflammatory remarks because you feel strongly. It discredits your whole perspective.

Also, that thread has nothing to do with this type of incident. Clearly people can choose to drive as fast as they want in a controlled environment. It's legal on the track, and apparently in Mexico, so you have no argument against anything these people might consider doing. No one is driving 150 on the road you see pictured, except in a movie.

[Philar299]

The camaro was going fast he is at fault yes.. but the other dumbass is to blame also..

[Z28COP]

No! the fault is with the vehicle turning. You cannot pull out in front of someone who has the right of way, and then claim they were speeding, so it's then not your fault. If you did not see them, or did not judge their speed, that is your responsibility. The Camaro had the right of way. Charges MAY be filed if, and only if a determination of speed from the evidence, and it is an amount greatly above the speed limit. Speed formulas and crush analysis can only give you an estimate, and you cannot combine them for a result.

[matthook]

Originally Posted by msp2887

Says the person who just confused to and too as well as pear and peer in his attempt to put others down for their so called lack of intelligence...

I noticed this as well. A group of pears! I nearly laughed out loud.

[Paul Huizenga]

Originally Posted by Z28COP

No! the fault is with the vehicle turning. You cannot pull out in front of someone who has the right of way, and then claim they were speeding, so it's then not your fault. If you did not see them, or did not judge their speed, that is your responsibility. The Camaro had the right of way. Charges MAY be filed if, and only if a determination of speed from the evidence, and it is an amount greatly above the speed limit. Speed formulas and crush analysis can only give you an estimate, and you cannot combine them for a result.

Not completely accurate about the "judging speed" thing. We had a street racing fatality here in San Diego years back where a car headed the opposite direction made a left turn across the path of the cars that were racing, and a collision resulted.

I got a chance to talk to the police traffic investigators who worked the case, and it was pretty clear cut that if the oncoming traffic (which was almost an eighth mile away when the driver started to make her turn) had been moving at the speed limit, she would have cleared the intersection with room to spare.

But because it's very difficult to accurately judge the speed of cars that are coming directly toward you (in other words, just getting larger, and not changing much in angle), instead of having 15 seconds to clear the intersection, she had about 4.

It's very possible that the same thing happened here, and the driver of the car pulling out saw the Camaro coming, accurately judged distance (which is easy) but didn't recognize faster-than-expected speed, and made the decision to move without enough time to actually make it.

[Frank in MD]

This thread is a microcosm of the internet.

[angryv6]

Speeding is speeding no matter how you slice it. That being said, what's the difference in going the speed limit versus going seven over in this accident?

[ChefBorOzzy]

Speeder as far as I'm aware is typically at fault. An SUV was turning into a parking lot in front of a speeding motorcyclist in my town and the person on the motorcycle died as he clipped the rear of the SUV. No charges against the car driver and he is not at fault is what the news stated. Excessive speeding by the motorcyclist was listed as the cause of the accident.

[Z28COP]

Originally Posted by Paul Huizenga

Not completely accurate about the "judging speed" thing. We had a street racing fatality here in San Diego years back where a car headed the opposite direction made a left turn across the path of the cars that were racing, and a collision resulted.

I got a chance to talk to the police traffic investigators who worked the case, and it was pretty clear cut that if the oncoming traffic (which was almost an eighth mile away when the driver started to make her turn) had been moving at the speed limit, she would have cleared the intersection with room to spare.

But because it's very difficult to accurately judge the speed of cars that are coming directly toward you (in other words, just getting larger, and not changing much in angle), instead of having 15 seconds to clear the intersection, she had about 4.



It's very possible that the same thing happened here, and the driver of the car pulling out saw the Camaro coming, accurately judged distance (which is easy) but didn't recognize faster-than-expected speed, and made the decision to move without enough time to actually make it.

You are correct, I'm saying in order for us (in Ohio) to charge someone in this incident, we must be able to determine there speed with the evidence. If it's substantial, then yes, Reckless Operation or more serious charges can result. I'm just saying you can't take witnesses statements that someone was speeding excessively. Sad either way.