MotorTrend Pits the ZL1 vs GT500 on the Street, Dragstrip, and Racetrack

[LeviG]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Hmmm they used a Ford engine in that car, not a Chevy.

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He didn't say they did the same thing, he said that my comment REMINDED him of this.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by LeviG

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He didn't say they did the same thing, he said that my comment REMINDED him of this.

Well you were talking about putting Chevy engines in Miatas and he said it reminded him of project Banshee, I was just saying they used a ford motor, which everyone knows is narrower than the Chevy V8 and fits better in the small engine compartments with fewer modifications.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by LeviG

I assume your point is that the GT500 has been shown to be faster at the drag strip and on the road course even though the speculation was that the ZL1 would be faster on roadcourse due to superior handling and braking. We're on page 21 of this topic and everyone already knows this. So please explain what your getting at by being a child and trying to stir $#!t up.

What some Ford fans appear to do when they post on Camaro5 is use straw man arguments by mis-characterizing statements that have been made.

Ford fans have made comments such as, "Everyone here said that the GT500 wouldn't beat the ZL1 on a road course." In reality the type of comments that were actually stated were something such as "the ZL1 will likely perform better on road courses than the GT500 will," or the "ZL1 is a better road course car, in general, than the GT500 is."

What some Ford fans appear to fail to understand is that stating that the ZL1 is a better road course car than the GT500 is not the same thing as stating that the GT500 will not be faster on a road course than the ZL1.

Also, many Ford fans appear to have the need to post on Camaro5 their belief that the ZL1 is an inferior vehicle to the GT500, mainly it appears due to the fact that the GT500 is faster in a straight line. Again, what they appear to fail to understand is that to many straight line acceleration is not the only metric used to evaluate today's high performance vehicles. The ability to comfortably navigate, with spirit, public roads, such as Highway 1 between Carmel and Big Sur or Sunset Blvd between Benedict Canyon Drive and the Pacific Coast Highway, is more important and more useful to many than straight line acceleration is.

As many have stated, the GT500 is a fine car, and the right choice for many. However, to many on Camaro5 the ZL1 is the better vehicle and right choice for them.

I simply don't see the reason for some to denigrate a vehicle, such as the ZL1, unless one has some insecurity issues of one's own that are causing such behavior.

[LeviG]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Well you were talking about putting Chevy engines in Miatas and he said it reminded him of project Banshee, I was just saying they used a ford motor, which everyone knows is narrower than the Chevy V8 and fits better in the small engine compartments with fewer modifications.

No, I mean the point is that they're shoving a giant motor into a tiny car, not necessarily that they're shoving a Chevy motor into a tiny car. Same idea, though different engines, fitment aside.

[LeviG]

....So back on the subject of the video...

When did Russel Brand turn 60 and start driving cars for Motor Trend??

[HumanWiki]

What I think many "Ford fans" find when they see posts here are comments from people that would suggest that ZL1 comes with hemorrhoid pillow seats, early bird special tags and cup holders that are sized for Metamucil bottles. Way too many responses from people that have the "Oh yeah? Well, comfort" idea embedded in them... So, that works both ways there.

[101fng]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

What some Ford fans appear to do when they post on Camaro5 is use straw man arguments by mis-characterizing statements that have been made.

Ford fans have made comments such as, "Everyone here said that the GT500 wouldn't beat the ZL1 on a road course." In reality the type of comments that were actually stated were something such as "the ZL1 will likely perform better on road courses than the GT500 will," or the "ZL1 is a better road course car, in general, than the GT500 is."

What some Ford fans appear to fail to understand is that stating that the ZL1 is a better road course car than the GT500 is not the same thing as stating that the GT500 will not be faster on a road course than the ZL1.

Also, many Ford fans appear to have the need to post on Camaro5 their belief that the ZL1 is an inferior vehicle to the GT500, mainly it appears due to the fact that the GT500 is faster in a straight line. Again, what they appear to fail to understand is that to many straight line acceleration is not the only metric used to evaluate today's high performance vehicles. The ability to comfortably navigate, with spirit, public roads, such as Highway 1 between Carmel and Big Sur or Sunset Blvd between Benedict Canyon Drive and the Pacific Coast Highway, is more important and more useful to many than straight line acceleration is.

As many have stated, the GT500 is a fine car, and the right choice for many. However, to many on Camaro5 the ZL1 is the better vehicle and right choice for them.

I simply don't see the reason for some to denigrate a vehicle, such as the ZL1, unless one has some insecurity issues of one's own that are causing such behavior.

i'm gonna call it like i see it, you are backpedaling hard and playing semantics. your bolded statement is the biggest load of bullshit i've ever read. in a sentance such as "the zl1 will be a better road coarse car," it is implied that the zl1 will be faster, unless your idea of a road coarse is one with no clock. if someone said "the gt500 will be the better drag car," would it be presumptious to say that the gt500 will be faster in the 1/4? only an idiot would see any other meaning in that sentance than "the gt500 will be faster". do you see what i'm saying?

talk about insecurity issues. you are trying your hardest to justify what you see as a failure in the ZL1. it's kind of obvious. instead of seeing it as a failure, why not just look at it as the greatest camaro ever produced? there's nothing to justify there, because it's fact.

hell, i just quoted a guy that said the zl1 would smoke the gt500 on the 'ring. he didn't say it would likely do better, he didn't say it would probably pull on the gt500 in the turns, he didn't say anything like that. he straight up said the gt500 will be slaughtered on the nurburgring. it's because of guys like that that you feel you have to back pedal and elaborate on the true meanings of their statements.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 101fng

i'm gonna call it like i see it, you are backpedaling hard and playing semantics. your bolded statement is the biggest load of bullshit i've ever read. in a sentance such as "the zl1 will be a better road coarse car," it is implied that the zl1 will be faster, unless your idea of a road coarse is one with no clock. if someone said "the gt500 will be the better drag car," would it be presumptious to say that the gt500 will be faster in the 1/4? only an idiot would see any other meaning in that sentance than "the gt500 will be faster". do you see what i'm saying?

talk about insecurity issues. you are trying your hardest to justify what you see as a failure in the ZL1. it's kind of obvious. instead of seeing it as a failure, why not just look at it as the greatest camaro ever produced? there's nothing to justify there, because it's fact.

hell, i just quoted a guy that said the zl1 would smoke the gt500 on the 'ring. he didn't say it would likely do better, he didn't say it would probably pull on the gt500 in the turns, he didn't say anything like that. he straight up said the gt500 will be slaughtered on the nurburgring. it's because of guys like that that you feel you have to back pedal and elaborate on the true meanings of their statements.

Listen I understand SVT land is bitter after loosing all 4 of the overall results in the reviews thus far. If the Camaro had lost 4 in a row I am sure there would be bitterness here too. , don't be too hard on the 500 though it is indeed fast!

[ParisTNDude]

I'm still waiting for the 2012 ZL1 vs 2012 GT500 comparo. In that matchup, the ZL wins every category.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I'm still waiting for the 2012 ZL1 vs 2012 GT500 comparo. In that matchup, the ZL wins every category.

I see the point, but what, do tell, is the performance difference between a 2012 ZL1 and 2013 ZL1?

[rez333]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I see the point, but what, do tell, is the performance difference between a 2012 ZL1 and 2013 ZL1?

there is none, therefore there is no point. Seriously guys - stop making these arguments, it makes the Mustang guys think you're stupid.

When was the 2012 ZL1 released? 2012. When was the 2013 GT500 released? 2012. Now be quiet and find some arguments with merit.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by jonny5cam

Again, they compare a production car right off the assembly line"ZL1" against an aftermaket "Shelby"...apples to oranges. Why not compare the shelby with a, let's say a "Lingenfelder" ZL1! The ZL1 is close to 500lbs heavier, and has almost 100 less horsepower. The weight difference is good for a half second alone in the quarter! Did the writer ever once mention any of these facts? What a load of crap!...Even after all that was stacked against it i'd say the Camaro is still twice the car.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

What some Ford fans appear to do when they post on Camaro5 is use straw man arguments by mis-characterizing statements that have been made.

Ford fans have made comments such as, "Everyone here said that the GT500 wouldn't beat the ZL1 on a road course." In reality the type of comments that were actually stated were something such as "the ZL1 will likely perform better on road courses than the GT500 will," or the "ZL1 is a better road course car, in general, than the GT500 is."

What some Ford fans appear to fail to understand is that stating that the ZL1 is a better road course car than the GT500 is not the same thing as stating that the GT500 will not be faster on a road course than the ZL1.

Also, many Ford fans appear to have the need to post on Camaro5 their belief that the ZL1 is an inferior vehicle to the GT500, mainly it appears due to the fact that the GT500 is faster in a straight line. Again, what they appear to fail to understand is that to many straight line acceleration is not the only metric used to evaluate today's high performance vehicles. The ability to comfortably navigate, with spirit, public roads, such as Highway 1 between Carmel and Big Sur or Sunset Blvd between Benedict Canyon Drive and the Pacific Coast Highway, is more important and more useful to many than straight line acceleration is.

As many have stated, the GT500 is a fine car, and the right choice for many. However, to many on Camaro5 the ZL1 is the better vehicle and right choice for them.

I simply don't see the reason for some to denigrate a vehicle, such as the ZL1, unless one has some insecurity issues of one's own that are causing such behavior.

Post of the year

[101fng]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Listen I understand SVT land is bitter after loosing all 4 of the overall results in the reviews thus far. If the Camaro had lost 4 in a row I am sure there would be bitterness here too. , don't be too hard on the 500 though it is indeed fast!

i hate svtp for the record. it just bugs me to see guys like that make these ridiculous arguments. it really only does one thing, which is, give the mustang guys something to laugh at.

making ridiculous caveats like "nobody said the zl1 would be faster on every lap or every track" is no better than saying "oh they should compare the hennessy to the shelby" or "they should compare the same model year". it's doing nothing for the camaro community.