SS performance vs the 6.1l SRT Challenger? Thinking of swapping..

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by 2013 RaceRed 5.0

For the umpteen zillionth time, why are some people still saying the Challenger SRT-8 (6.1 or 6.4) and the 5.0 are faster than an SS (automatic or otherwise)?

Virtually every test out there shows the 5.0 and SS having identical acceleration, and the 6.1 SRT as being slower:

2010 Chevrolet Camaro V6 and V8 Performance Test Results - Car News
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...sults-car-news

So, How Fast is It?

The quickest of the new Camaros is the SS model with the automatic gearbox, which sprints to 60 mph in 4.6 seconds. While this is 0.2 second better than the more powerful, manual-equipped car’s time of 4.8, the off-the-line advantage quickly fades, with the manual tripping the quarter-mile lights in 13 seconds flat at 111 mph versus the auto’s 13.1 at 109. As the arrival of the Camaro brings the modern pony car wars into full swing, it only makes sense to compare the SS to the 315-hp 2010 Mustang GT and the 376-hp Dodge Challenger R/T, both of which manage the 0-to-60-mph run in 5.1 seconds. The 425-hp Challenger SRT8 is a better match for the SS at 4.8 seconds, yet is considerably more expensive than the Camaro.

The 6.4 SRT is faster than the 6.1, but it is just an even match for SS's and 5.0's:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...llenger-review
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.3 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 114 mph

It would silly for me to state the facts since I have owned / own the 5.0, 6.1 and Ls3.Why did I even bother to have them all on the dyno stock on same dyno and then take them to the track- hmmm I could have read car & driver. lol
oh, wait the 5.0 is faster and 6.1 and ls3 is a close match, but what I know owning them.....

[Mr Monte]

Originally Posted by 2013 RaceRed 5.0

For the umpteen zillionth time, why are some people still saying the Challenger SRT-8 (6.1 or 6.4) and the 5.0 are faster than an SS (automatic or otherwise)?

My 1st run down the 1/4 miles in my 6.1 Challenger SRT8 was a 13.1 & my best was a 12.8 totally stock. Our 2000 Camaro SS manual & 2012 Camaro SS auto are both consistent 13.1 & both are stock.

The 6.4 SRT8 is a mid 12s car. The 5.0s are all over the map but my last trip to the drags in the 12SS I got lined up with a stock 5.0 & got beat 10 out of 10 times. I ran 13.1-13.2, the 5.0 was 12.8-13.0

My Wife's 2010 Mustang is a 4.6 auto & runs consistent 13.4s stock. In daily driving the 5.0 feels sluggish compared to the 4.6 but look at the torque curves of these engines & you can see why. Above 4,000 rpms the 5.0 really wakes up & is a fun car the drive. Also the 2010 GT is actually lighter than the 2011+ Mustangs V6 & V8.

As for the garbage from the media (internet, magazines, TV) keep in mind their results tend to be biased you need to drive the cars then come up with your own conclusion.


All my stock time runs were full weight, factory tune & factory recommended tire pressure.

[bgallegos]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

Full bolton 5.0s can dip into the 10's.

With weight reduction,suspension, bigs and little yeah. Im not denying theyre fast but I like the variety that the camaro has. I dont really race much so im not looking for a 10 sec car just a fun street car with the occasional mexico cruise lol. Im also not a fan boy ive had a ta, 03 mach,and an 08 Bullitt. I even think the 392 challengers are beautiful but a bit expensive for me lol.

[OneSlowV]

There have been a few CJ cars in the high 10s. Think the record is like a 10.9 @ 124 mph point is these are easy 11 second cars with bolt ons and no weight reduction. Its sad that a full bolt on camaro is still in the 12s because nobody mods them the right weight. Running on stock 20s is point less.

[bgallegos]

Originally Posted by OneSlowV

There have been a few CJ cars in the high 10s. Think the record is like a 10.9 @ 124 mph point is these are easy 11 second cars with bolt ons and no weight reduction. Its sad that a full bolt on camaro is still in the 12s because nobody mods them the right weight. Running on stock 20s is point less.

It also depends on location and driver. I havent seen one just na full weight do that. Theres a few here with 150 shot running 10s 6mt though. The 5.0 is built better for the quarter we are all aware of that. Im probably one of the few that's happier with the camaro than the 5.0. I was always paranoid my mt82 was gonna take a dump and i also had a paint issue with it at 2800 miles.

[OneSlowV]

Originally Posted by bgallegos

It also depends on location and driver. I havent seen one just na full weight do that. Theres a few here with 150 shot running 10s 6mt though. The 5.0 is built better for the quarter we are all aware of that. Im probably one of the few that's happier with the camaro than the 5.0. I was always paranoid my mt82 was gonna take a dump and i also had a paint issue with it at 2800 miles.

Damn that sucks. Idk i have 20k miles on mine rev it to 7800 rpms all the time.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by OneSlowV

There have been a few CJ cars in the high 10s. Think the record is like a 10.9 @ 124 mph point is these are easy 11 second cars with bolt ons and no weight reduction. Its sad that a full bolt on camaro is still in the 12s because nobody mods them the right weight. Running on stock 20s is point less.

True, a full bolt on 5.0 with no weight taken out is in fact a mid 11's car but obviously there are those that have modded a 5th gen right because full bolt on ones have gone mid 11's. Considering many of those cars only start with 400HP and have a stock curb weight of 3950lbs I would call that pretty good.

Obviously the average 5th gen owner is not going to invest in a set of 17" wheels or even 18" wheels. The 17" wheels for our cars cost like $500 a piece for the wheels alone. 17-18" tires are also not cheap. A Mustang on the other hand can easily buy 15" drag wheels that cost about $180 a piece. Add to the fact that the car can now use a Mickey Thompson ET Street PRO 275/60R15(the best drag radial in the world) and it's no wonder lots of average driving bolt on 2011+ Mustangs can run so well. The fact of the matter is it's cheaper to cam a 5th gen and buy a couple of Dr's for the stock wheels than it is to buy a full set of 17" drag wheels and tires. Funny but true. That is one reason you don't see a lot of fast 5th gens. No one wants to invest that kind of money that doesn't give them power. I don't condone it and it's why many 5th gens are slower than they should be but it is what it is.

[OneSlowV]

Very true to me it seems like the L99 guys have the better car because of the A6. Get a nice stall, bolt ons and a cam and its 11s all day for the car lol. VVT helps big time through the mid range.

[OneSlowV]

Very true to me it seems like the L99 guys have the better car because of the A6. Get a nice stall, bolt ons and a cam and its 11s all day for the car lol. VVT helps big time through the mid range.