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Old 05-17-2013, 08:48 AM   #29
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There will be a GT 500 according to some it won't be Shelby, but SVT. Here's a render.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:52 AM   #30
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And add IRS
Agreed. Adding IRS, while still losing a bunch of weight sounds like a lofty goal if you ask me, unless they shrink the size of the car noticeably as well, which I know is something most don't want to see. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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I hope that 475 isn't going to be their top motor. That will put them behind when we already have 580hp camaros and 662hp mustangs running around.
Definitely won't be top dog, but I'm guessing we will have to wait until the 2nd year of production before they bring out the big dogs.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:01 AM   #31
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Keep in mind that the 450 number on the LT1 is always proceeded by the words "at least". I have a feeling the real number is going to be 465-475. Also, we already know that the 6th Gen Camaro will be smaller and light, riding on the new lightweight Alpha architecture that just debuted under the Cadillac ATS.
If this rumor is true and the 5.0 does put down 475 HP, the LT1 better put down at least 475 but I doubt it will. It would be another slap in the face for GM.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:45 AM   #32
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If this rumor is true and the 5.0 does put down 475 HP, the LT1 better put down at least 475 but I doubt it will. It would be another slap in the face for GM.
Now now, as long as it's pretty the HP rating doesn't matter...... Sorry, had to
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:20 PM   #33
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Now now, as long as it's pretty the HP rating doesn't matter...... Sorry, had to
I guess it's too bad for Ford that they lose at both, huh?

Anyways, I doubt the next gen Mustang will lose weight. Ford will have a hard time keeping the weight where it is now.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:39 PM   #34
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I guess it's too bad for Ford that they lose at both, huh?

Anyways, I doubt the next gen Mustang will lose weight. Ford will have a hard time keeping the weight where it is now.
The new platform will most likely be smaller. Cars today are big, CAFE laws will pretty much determine the size of them in the very near future. Cars were smaller in the 90's with 15"-16" wheels being the norm. Now 18"-20" is the norm. I think we will see both a smaller size Camaro and mustang next generation.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:49 PM   #35
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The mustang will be on an all new platform that hasn't been seen yet. The Camaro will be on the Alpha platform so we have some idea on where the Camaro will sit weight wise. I'd be willing to bet all three of my vehicles that the mustang will lose 200 or so pounds.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:52 PM   #36
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The new platform will most likely be smaller. Cars today are big, CAFE laws will pretty much determine the size of them in the very near future. Cars were smaller in the 90's with 15"-16" wheels being the norm. Now 18"-20" is the norm. I think we will see both a smaller size Camaro and mustang next generation.
The current Mustang body almost is a "90's car". It was released in 2005. The new body is probably going to be strengthened, since powerplants are producing more power than they were when the body was designed.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:59 PM   #37
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Well I was unimpressed with my 12 5.0 mainly due to the transmission. If Ford came back next year with a light weight 475 hp 5.0 I could be lured back to give the 5.0 another shot but only in an automatic version. Is the Boss dead for 15? Will it be replaced by another version maybe Mach 1 or something?
Did you have transmission problems with your mustang?
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:19 PM   #38
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The new platform will most likely be smaller. Cars today are big, CAFE laws will pretty much determine the size of them in the very near future. Cars were smaller in the 90's with 15"-16" wheels being the norm. Now 18"-20" is the norm. I think we will see both a smaller size Camaro and mustang next generation.
Only making a car smaller is not going to help significantly with CAFE standards. The CAFE regulation formula includes footprint and, though there is still a mathematical benefit to decreasing vehicle size vs the inherent weight loss associated with decreasing exterior dimensions, the bigger the car the lower FE standards are. Advanced materials, specialized manufacturing processes and other means of reducing weight will be at the forefront as well as advances in transmission and engine technology. Just making a bunch of tiny cars isn't going to cut it.
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on a side note, since it was brought up by others. I sold my 2013 mustang because of that transmission. it's good sometimes and others complete horse poop. Don't be fooled and assume anything on those mustangs. they are quick as hell and cheap as hell to modify. boss intake and a tune, i did 416 at the wheels. they feel lighter then the camaro by far. don't hook up very well. That 5.0 is an awesome piece. this 475 hp claim worries me. if they swap to a different trans or correct the issues, add IRS , drop weight AND add power. chevy is ducked in the pony wars. chevy will still have the best looks and best interior but street power my 5.0 hauled ass !
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:43 PM   #40
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I guess it's too bad for Ford that they lose at both, huh?

Anyways, I doubt the next gen Mustang will lose weight. Ford will have a hard time keeping the weight where it is now.
Lest I checked All versions of Mustang were quicker than their Camaro counterparts and the most powerful mustang is running CONSIDERABLY more power than the most powerful Camaro. Just because you don't want them to make it lighter, doesn't mean it will not happen, look at the BRZ/FRS, they are only 4 cyclinders with lighter compnents yes, but they are 2800 pounds, ad 500 for the V8 and additional components to handle the extra ability anxd you've got something. Have they not also stated the next mustang will be smaller too?
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Did you have transmission problems with your mustang?
Yes unfortunately I did, at first I would get the occasional grind when shifting normal going into 2nd and 3rd especially in cooler temps. I brought it to the dealer and they changed the fluid per the bulletin but this did not help. Later the transmission was literally locking me out of 3rd and sometimes 4th on any shifts above 6200 rpms. IMO the transmission / shifter or maybe both are junk. I didn’t want to start tearing into the car with aftermarket parts to fix something that should haven’t of been a problem to begin with, all the while voiding the warranty. Got aggravated and got rid of the car. After the bad experience I had with the SS and the clutch I didn't want to go down that road again.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:24 PM   #42
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Only making a car smaller is not going to help significantly with CAFE standards. The CAFE regulation formula includes footprint and, though there is still a mathematical benefit to decreasing vehicle size vs the inherent weight loss associated with decreasing exterior dimensions, the bigger the car the lower FE standards are. Advanced materials, specialized manufacturing processes and other means of reducing weight will be at the forefront as well as advances in transmission and engine technology. Just making a bunch of tiny cars isn't going to cut it.
It will start with a smaller dimension.
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