2014 432 HP LS3 405 HP L99 (More power for Europe?)

[E.T.]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

OK I retrack my post, just keep in mind the LS3 on the Chevy ss makes 415hp which makes the L99 ss less attractive. The 14s will get a bump the 13s DNA will be in them might not be rated from GM.

While we're on the SS topic, I read that it's an AUTO LS3, without AFM! Is this true? Leave it to the numbskulls at GM to do this to a 4-door "family" sedan, but they cut the balls off the auto Camaro by sticking it with AFM.

[Cyber Gray]

Originally Posted by Jeff_SS

ITT: butthurt people arguing over a few horses

Size matters

[Cyber Gray]

Originally Posted by nyrfan

Sorry but have to at this.

I can see it now:

Me: Do you have an L99 Camaro I can look at?
Saleman: We do. But we also have an overpriced, 4 door sedan, the new SS. It has an LS3 and has 15 more HP then the Camaro. Might not look as good but it does have 15 more HP!
Me: Sold! I'll take the SS

I cant swallow that. The SS SuckS

[vroomapunk]

Im with the guys saying that its just different ratings/tunes/measurements for europe.

[62nalide]

Originally Posted by E.T.

While we're on the SS topic, I read that it's an AUTO LS3, without AFM! Is this true? Leave it to the numbskulls at GM to do this to a 4-door "family" sedan, but they cut the balls off the auto Camaro by sticking it with AFM.

I know right lol, But L99 owners are free of gas guzzler tax, as for the SS they get taxed. IDK GM would do this but I like the fact the L99 was offered.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by FaytalsCamaro

Dynos are also not so much a tool to show you where you currently stand. But moreso how much of an increase you have gone through. Otherwise all Dino's would be standardized and would measure the exact same. Unfortunately...they don't. Unless GM changes the ratings on the l99 it will remain the same. Remind me did they ever change 2010 ratings for the v6? I'm sure they did cause they said they were using the cts ratings if I'm correct

It will never be the same, you can take the same dyno, to Los Angeles and take a reading then move it to Denver on the exact same car and you will get different HP readings. Just like comparing quarter mile times in two different places or even different times of the year. If the conditions are not exactly the same you will get different readings.

Yes the 2010 V6 used the CTS certification rating of 304HP, then ford came up with a rating of 305hp in 2010 on the Mustang V6. So for 2011 GM had the V6 certified in the Camaro and it came out as 312HP with no changes in tuning or the engine.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

If they were rated at 400hp why is it that they make more? GM techs are saying 415hp on 13s and up! Its all over the forums look it up.... I'm done, thanks for reading my post

If it's on the Internet then it has to be true!

[two_wheel_mayhem]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

So GM had the V6 certified in the Camaro and it came out as 312HP with no changes in tuning or the engine.

No they re-certified it when Ford's new V6 in their Mustang was rated higher than the 3.6 GM.

[two_wheel_mayhem]

This is a bench racing thread anyway.

[62nalide]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

If it's on the Internet then it has to be true!

Well lets see same day a dozen different l99s on the same dyno all with mods and me 100% stock mine dynod pretty high for STOCK L99. Theres other members here that can back that up. JUST SAYING.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem

No they re-certified it when Ford's new V6 in their Mustang was rated higher than the 3.6 GM.

It wasn't certified in the Camaro Application until 2011. They just used the CTS numbers in 2010. Fbodfather confirmed it early in 2011.

[two_wheel_mayhem]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

It wasn't certified in the Camaro Application until 2011. They just used the CTS numbers in 2010. Fbodfather confirmed it early in 2011.

What steps do they take to certify an engine?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

Well lets see same day a dozen different l99s on the same dyno all with mods and me 100% stock mine dynod pretty high for STOCK L99. Theres other members here that can back that up. JUST SAYING.

You can take several stock cars and because of manufacturing tolerances can read higher or lower than the certified HP. All cars would have to have had the same break in, miles, oil, gas from the same source, etc to be a direct comparison.
You could probably take it back today and get different numbers.
Anyway the dyno its self could have been reading high.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem

What steps do they take to certify an engine?

I have no idea but they have specific SAE procedures to go through to be Certified.