QUESTION Which tuner has the most 11 second cars

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Baltimorejohn1

Nice.....
I was just up there in Boston and Portsmouth for a week on business
It would've been cool to stop by your place but they had us busy and I flew in anyway
I have to come up there because my boy lives in Connecticut so I have to visit

Love to have you and the boy stop by we will give you the 50 cent tour and meet all the guys.

Thanks Ted.

[Baltimorejohn1]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

ChacoTaco, what you are missing is 1 key thing...you have ZERO experience racing a 5TH GEN Camaro as you said yourself you have never even ran your car. So for you to make all these comments about what all it takes to run 11's in these cars is kinda pointless. Like I said earlier some of what you are saying is true and some is kinda hit and miss. It's almost as if you are jaded from a tuner relationship gone bad how you are trying to minimize the importance of a great tune??
All I know is that 11's in a bolt on only Gen 5 will require more than a run of the mill tune. And to the tuners that have done it, they too deserve props!

I can speak frankly on this subject by I have done almost anything you can do to these cars to run as fast as possible in this particular class! It took lots of patience, trial and error and a great working relationship with my tuners.

You can gladly prove us wrong with ur run of the mill tune, bolt ins, oh and an 11sec time slip. I'll be the 1st to congratulate you.

Well said
I've never done it so I started this thread to let those that have speak

Originally Posted by bhillakaiceberg

Not at all easy to go 11's Stock internal in a 5th Gen. Just like most folks have said, if that was the case many many many 5th gens would be running 11's stock internal. With an L99 Auto, the shift points are key. The stock factory tune leaves a lot on the table and I think pretty conservative. Even if you add a stall, gears, and tires, a spot on tune will make that combo shine. Stall and gears without a tune is a waste and I guarantee you won't be seeing any 11's.

Double
Exactly we have a lot of camaro's in the crew around here in the DMV
And I'm noticing the same thing
The tuner matters a lot

Just watching your car grow was definitely eye opening because you did everything in steps so it was very apparent the differences step to step

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

I'm guessing you haven't driven a new 2015 Z06. Do you think it'll beat a bone stock SS in a race? If you say yes, should I just dismiss your assertion because you've never driven one or raced one? Or can we just assume the obvious?

Truths are truths. A tuner isn't breaking a bone stock SS into the 11's. That takes thousands of dollars and multiple modifications. Get the basics covered. It's going to take months or maybe years before the OP will need to squeeze out every last rwhp with an aggressive tune. Whether or not I've chosen to race my 5th gen is irrelevant. I've raced cars in the past, and the same logic holds. Your logic, however, is nonexistent because it is a logical fallacy. Whether or not I've viewed Earth from the surface of the moon doesn't change whether or not the Earth is blue from the surface of the moon. I don't need to be standing on the moon to know that much. Thanks. And as I said before, when the time is right in the distant future, Fran at Race Proven Motorsports in Delaware is a pretty good bet, and semi-local. He just got a brand new AWD-capable Dynojet. Sweet.

You keep modifying your stance on your own opinion? Nobody has said anything about making a bone stock SS run 11's with just a tune.
1st you start off saying that all it takes to break 11's is wheels, tires, gearing, and weight reduction like seats out.
Then later you modify that and you add in torque converter, suspension work and a basic tune? Is it maybe be you realize you have stuck your head in an area that you are unfamiliar with??
By your logic a tune is never needed until you get deep into Bolt Ons bc the amount gained is negligent?
But coming from a guy that
A) doesn't have a tune on his car so you can't even speak for the difference? Only know what others have told you.
B) makes unrealistic statements about what this and that will do.

We get it, you don't favor a tune whether it be on a stock SS OR BOLT ON car. Or should I say it makes such a small difference compared to a specific mod?
If you had a tune on your car even stock the 1st thing you would realize is how shitty the stock transmission tune is!! Guess what? Zero HP GAIN but I bet it helps ET not to mention now it feels like a muscle car should.
You also don't have an aftermarket torque converter so you have no clue as to how much work it takes to dial them in.

Yes you may have drag racing experience as did I. I raced a 67 Camaro for 15years, but when I bought my 2011 Camaro it was a brand new learning curve! Basic drag racing principles still apply however application of mods and tuning are very different. Enter the world of tuning with a laptop computer with HP tuners software or EFIlive or equivalent. IRS, and the fact that's its a pig of a car.
Again you haven't walked this walk with this car.

It would be like be trying to tell Jaime (Mikes fast SS) how to tune or modify his supercharged SS! I know and understand a lot but I haven't done it.
Maybe a year ago he would take my advice lol.

And lastly you only know that the surface of the earth is blue Bc you saw it on cartoons! Ie...someone told you that it was.
Not Bc you went to the moon yourself to know! That means that theoretically your example puts you no smarter than a 3rd grader being that you have no relevant experience with it. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'm sure that what you were told was correct. This time you guessed right.

You however are being the equivalent of the fat personal trainer that tells you that it's easy to lose weight yet you haven't got yourself in shape yet so all you know is what you read.

I'll see you on the track or the gym!

[Baltimorejohn1]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Love to have you and the boy stop by we will give you the 50 cent tour and meet all the guys.

Thanks Ted.

LOL thanks that sounds like a plan

[Pro Stock John]

Choco, so if you remember what 'Tech was like from '98 to '08 for example, a converter swap trumped a gear swap for any A4 4th gen regardless of whether it was a 3.23 car or a 2.73 car. In fact, that was one of the big epiphanies for people modifying the LS1 4th gen. I remember the LT1 crowd with their go-to recipe to run 12's... 2800 stall, 3.73s, BFG drag radials, cold air and a tune. And a car like that would run 12.9@104. The big epiphany was that a converter swap would yield the biggest drop in ET at the track. We were running Yank TP4500s. They were pretty drive-able when you have a 4th gen that was 3200-3400 with driver. A gear swap in a 4th gen was worth maybe a tenth and 2 mph. A converter swap was worth 4 tenths.

Anyway, 5th gens.

Lightweight wheels, DR's, a stall, CAI, 3.91 gears, a crank pulley and a ported throttle body?

Or headers and a tune?

The answer here for 11's SI is you'd have to do 90% of the mods all of us SI 11 second guys have done to run that good. Granted Tim E went 11.98, no converter, everything else you listed but with a 3.70 gear and a slick. So 11.98 can be done without a converter. But you still need to be tuned.

SI 11's in 4th gens wasn't so easy in the beginning either. Tuners had to pay a lot of attention to the shifts, apply release stuff, etc.

You basically cannot run SI 11's in an auto 5th gen without tuning. Even if you tried to get there with gear and no converter you'd still have to adjust all the trans tables. And it's not just shift points, its also torque management, line pressure, blah blah blah.

[bhillakaiceberg]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Anyway, 5th gens.

You basically cannot run SI 11's in an auto 5th gen without tuning. Even if you tried to get there with gear and no converter you'd still have to adjust all the trans tables. And it's not just shift points, its also torque management, line pressure, blah blah blah.

[Denis]

i want to be in the 11 second bolt-on club...

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Denis

i want to be in the 11 second bolt-on club...

I can definitely help you do that.

Ted.

[Pro Stock John]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

The answer here for 11's SI is you'd have to do 90% of the mods all of us SI 11 second guys have done to run that good. Granted Tim E went 11.98, no converter, everything else you listed but with a 3.70 gear and a slick. So 11.98 can be done without a converter. But you still need to be tuned.

You basically cannot run SI 11's in an auto 5th gen without tuning. Even if you tried to get there with gear and no converter you'd still have to adjust all the trans tables. And it's not just shift points, its also torque management, line pressure, blah blah blah.

Chris, I think + skinnies + seats out + gear OR converter would be necessary. I've been waiting to see if one of the guys on here with an auto and 3.91 gear could get it done, seems doable.

I went 12.06 seats in, 18x9.5's up front. I tried like crazy to go 11.99, I couldn't hook it. I ran 11.9s on other passes even with tire spin.

[Denis]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

I can definitely help you do that.

Ted.

im going to be sending you some data logs hopefully this weekend if i can.

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Chris, I think + skinnies + seats out + gear OR converter would be necessary. I've been waiting to see if one of the guys on here with an auto and 3.91 gear could get it done, seems doable.

I went 12.06 seats in, 18x9.5's up front. I tried like crazy to go 11.99, I couldn't hook it. I ran 11.9s on other passes even with tire spin.

im really trying to do all i can without the stall and the gears. but i think gears are a MUST for sure.

[Pro Stock John]

I think -800 DA air plus skinnies and the seats out you might squeak into an 11.99.

That said in -800 DA air I would hope to run 11.6's.

[Denis]

ive seen some real negative air here a few times.

for example, the DA here is currently -228

[Pro Stock John]

Between the seat and skinnies (I assume you completely empty the trunk already) you could pull out near 120 lbs.

[Denis]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Between the seat and skinnies (I assume you completely empty the trunk already) you could pull out near 120 lbs.

well i dont have skinnies anymore lol