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alaskacamaro · 02-15-2015, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenAppleLS3

Ive seen hellcat stock dyno 650rwhp.

Doubt you saw a bone stock putting down that rwhp. 57hp loss from crank seems too low.

alaskacamaro · 02-15-2015, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro500

ZL1 over Hellcat any day!

Agreed, and not just because this is a Camaro forum and we all own one..
Dodge seems to still only focus on straight line vs balance. While the Hellcat has a clear advantage in hp I would love to see some real world tests on tracks and as DD..

GreenAppleLS3 · 02-15-2015, 08:12 PM

Alaska they did it on the motortrend comparison or one of the big magazines meaning it doesnt make only 707 on the tiny key

hazy · 02-16-2015, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alaskacamaro

Doubt you saw a bone stock putting down that rwhp. 57hp loss from crank seems too low.

Perhaps they're under-rating it from the factory?

This one did 642 bone stock. Close enough to call it 650, if you ask me...more results of other cars on p. 3 and 4 of that thread...

http://www.hellcat.org/threads/2015-...orsports.1504/

Col. Brain · 02-16-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alaskacamaro

Doubt you saw a bone stock putting down that rwhp. 57hp loss from crank seems too low.

the trap speeds are tipping their hats that these things are underrated

707 is probably the first 700hp number that passed certification and they said "fine"

The other thing to remember is that this ecu is locked down like fort knox. This is not like GM or Ford - the aftermarket for Mopar sucks these days and it is because they lock their ecu and do not want people modding it.

Had mopar/chrysler/dodge/fiat - decide that they would help the aftermarket like gm and ford - we would see 1000hp hellcats already.

C7 corvettes were making 1000hp and running 10s/9s what a month after release?

These Hellcats are bone stock

newmoon · 02-16-2015, 02:31 PM

I for one am happy that Dodge locked it down. This rules out the cheating. I am also much more impressed with great stock passes, rather than how much money did you spend modified passes. Go over to the SVT site and you will see 10-sec pass after 10-sec pass out of the modified 5.0 and GT500, honestly it gets boring. On the other hand watching a completely stock car run a low 11 is pretty impressive IMO.

MLAZ1990 · 02-16-2015, 04:24 PM

I'll take the ZL1 everyday!!!

96MrBass · 02-16-2015, 05:17 PM

1200hp and 7sec 1/4 mile passes and it still won't look as good imo but to each his own.

topsy krett · 02-17-2015, 08:19 AM

zl1 aint no joke but them srt's aint nothing to f#$& with lol

Baltimorejohn1 · 02-17-2015, 11:06 AM

It's gonna be a very interesting spring and summer

370zyzfr1 · 02-24-2015, 07:54 PM

A few articles actually say the hell at produces closer to 750 at the crank. The zl1 had a great driver. Hellcat didnt.

Evil-Bee-NH · 02-24-2015, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zyzfr1

A few articles actually say the hell at produces closer to 750 at the crank. The zl1 had a great driver. Hellcat didnt.

Wish we coulda seen that ZL1 vs. the Bike if it could beat that hellcat woulda been nice to see it against the bike. Bt i agree ZL1 Driver has mad driving ability either way Zl1 will likely come out on top of Hellcat more then Dodge would like in track and drag.

mrvenicess · 03-03-2015, 02:22 PM

The ZL1 had DRs on it. I watched a few Hellcats run the 1/2 mile at Ocala a while back, one went around 145 in the 1/2 and another one went 153 with Don Garlits driving. For comparisons sake my Z went 160 fighting for traction the whole time. I was at 625 whp at that time.

Eric1 · 03-04-2015, 06:49 PM

I read somewhere that the hellcat transmissions can only support an extra 50 crank hp until they need massive upgrading. Is this true?

02-16-2015, 02:31 PM	#20
newmoon Drives: 2019 GT350 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NC Posts: 3,232	I for one am happy that Dodge locked it down. This rules out the cheating. I am also much more impressed with great stock passes, rather than how much money did you spend modified passes. Go over to the SVT site and you will see 10-sec pass after 10-sec pass out of the modified 5.0 and GT500, honestly it gets boring. On the other hand watching a completely stock car run a low 11 is pretty impressive IMO. __________________ 2019 GT350 RR 2013 Boss Mustang 2012 SRT Challenger 392 auto 12:40s 112 stock 2012 Ford Mustang 5.0. Brembo, 3:73s 2010 SS, LS3, Cammed, LTs, 12:20s 2004 Redfire Cobra, Pullied & Tuned 1986 GT, Ed Curtis 347ci, 11:20s motor. 10:30s 100-hp shot

02-16-2015, 04:24 PM	#21
MLAZ1990 Drives: 2012 black camaro 2LS Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,023 View My Garage	I'll take the ZL1 everyday!!! __________________ SLP Loud Mouth 1 Exhaust, K&N CAI, RS Headlights, NightOwl V2 halo kit, ZL1 Grille, Custom 2LS Emblems, Green Footwells, GM GFX splitter, Ace Alloy Convex All Matte Black Wheels(20x9 & 20x10.5) wrapped in Toyo Proxe STII(255/45/20 & 295/40/20)

02-16-2015, 05:17 PM	#22
96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	1200hp and 7sec 1/4 mile passes and it still won't look as good imo but to each his own. __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.

02-17-2015, 11:06 AM	#24
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02-15-2015, 08:12 PM	#17
GreenAppleLS3 Drives: Synergy Green SS Camaro 6 speed Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: San diego Posts: 194 View My Garage	Alaska they did it on the motortrend comparison or one of the big magazines meaning it doesnt make only 707 on the tiny key

02-17-2015, 08:19 AM	#23
topsy krett Drives: camaro 2010 ss Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Delaware Posts: 19	zl1 aint no joke but them srt's aint nothing to f#$& with lol

02-24-2015, 07:54 PM	#25
370zyzfr1 Drives: 2014 Camaro Zl1 Tripple Black! Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 383	A few articles actually say the hell at produces closer to 750 at the crank. The zl1 had a great driver. Hellcat didnt.

03-03-2015, 02:22 PM	#27
mrvenicess Drives: 2013 CRT ZL1 auto Join Date: May 2010 Location: Venice Fl Posts: 1,443 View My Garage	The ZL1 had DRs on it. I watched a few Hellcats run the 1/2 mile at Ocala a while back, one went around 145 in the 1/2 and another one went 153 with Don Garlits driving. For comparisons sake my Z went 160 fighting for traction the whole time. I was at 625 whp at that time.

03-04-2015, 06:49 PM	#28
Eric1 Drives: '13 2SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 11	I read somewhere that the hellcat transmissions can only support an extra 50 crank hp until they need massive upgrading. Is this true?