Longtubes + Borla Touring or "S" type - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

shag · 01-18-2010, 08:59 PM

Going with Kooks longtubes w/cats, but undecided on Borla "S" or Borla Touring catback. Love the sound of Borla, had the "S" axle back setup on a 06 Mustang (yes I defected, so happy I did), but looking for little less drone.

Do longtubes typically reduce drone?

If true, going with "S" type, otherwise it's Touring catback for me. Hoping someone who first installed Borla "S" catback (or other catbacks with some drone), then added longtubes w/cats can comment.

2010SSRS · 01-19-2010, 11:18 AM

headers will only make whatever you do LOUDER. i've heard folks with the Stinger setup claim some drone and Touring setup folks claim it too.

this was my concern as well. i too went with Kooks LT's catted but i got a set of Corsa catbacks because from i heard out there, the Corsa have a nice idle and gettin' on it tone but at cruising speed they're almost silent..

but if i had to choose from the Borla line up, i'd go Touring because you have headers. if they're too quiet, you can swap out the mufflers for the Stingers.

HeavyD · 01-19-2010, 08:36 PM

I spoke with Chris from Borla and he recommended the touring set with LT's.

2010SSRS · 01-20-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyD

I spoke with Chris from Borla and he recommended the touring set with LT's.

that's the way i was gonna go. then if you need it louder it's a muffler swap. but i opted for Corsa for the no DRONE factor.

quiet when cruising but snarling at trottle is what i'm after! thanks MarylandSpeed.....

chris@borla · 01-20-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyD

I spoke with Chris from Borla and he recommended the touring set with LT's.

It will sound healthy without driving you nuts while cruising.

SwiftCat · 01-20-2010, 12:43 PM

I have ARH LTs w/ Borla Stingers and they're completely tolerable. They're aggresive in WOT, but mellow enough when cruising. I too was concerned when buying them, but am extremely happy w/ them and wouldn't look back.
Swifty

P.S. The mild droning between 1700-1900 RPMs is less than what I had w/ MAC axle-backs in my Mustang GT...no problem.

Dangeruss · 01-20-2010, 12:50 PM

Yea...I think "drone" is completely subjective. If I wanted a quiet Camaro I would've stayed with the stock exhaust. I bought the Borla Stinger cat-back and I love it. I have Kooks headers on the way, and I'm sure I won't be disappointed.

Don't be scared of the Stinger!

MarylandSpeed · 01-20-2010, 02:16 PM

I have the stinger on my M6 and it does not drone. It is actually slightly quieter than I expected. I think I would be really unwelmed by the Touring if it was even quieter.

MrGazinya · 01-20-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SwiftCat

I have ARH LTs w/ Borla Stingers and they're completely tolerable. They're aggresive in WOT, but mellow enough when cruising. I too was concerned when buying them, but am extremely happy w/ them and wouldn't look back.
Swifty

P.S. The mild droning between 1700-1900 RPMs is less than what I had w/ MAC axle-backs in my Mustang GT...no problem.

Thanks for posting.. I was worried about the S-types being too obnoxious with long tubes.. You made me feel better now.

Can't wait to get my long tubes installed

Dangeruss · 01-20-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGazinya

Thanks for posting.. I was worried about the S-types being too obnoxious with long tubes.. You made me feel better now.

Can't wait to get my long tubes installed

I can't wait either!

Hurry up Marylandspeed!

2010SSRS · 01-20-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGazinya

Thanks for posting.. I was worried about the S-types being too obnoxious with long tubes.. You made me feel better now.

Can't wait to get my long tubes installed

the 2010 Camaro vid on Borlas youtube page sounds awesome.....i almost got the Stinger based on that clip alone!

SwiftCat · 01-20-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGazinya

Thanks for posting.. I was worried about the S-types being too obnoxious with long tubes.. You made me feel better now.

Can't wait to get my long tubes installed

You're more than welcome. Let me know how you like the set-up once you get it installed. Personally, I love it...when my wife and daughter are in the car, I'm "undercover brother"...but when I'm alone, the testosterone sack hangs low.

Dangeruss · 01-21-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010SSRS

the 2010 Camaro vid on Borlas youtube page sounds awesome.....i almost got the Stinger based on that clip alone!

I've always loved the sound of Borla on other cars, and those Youtube clips sealed the deal for me. Here's one of mine.

I'll post another one once my headers are installed.

*radz28* · 01-21-2010, 02:28 PM

I can only speak about the '02 I used to have, but there was LESS drone with LTs/cats' than manifolds/OEM cats' through my Borla CB. Yes - it was a totally different configuration, however, suprisingly, the drone was less. With the cutout open, just cruising, it wasn't bad at all! Now, once you got on it, the lower frequencies (with the CO open) were fairly muted, considering, and well, pretty loud at WOT.

If you ask me, like the OP said - it's subjective. See about going for a ride with someone with a similar configuration to what you're considering. If you're looking for the best balance of loudness/tone/rasp/drone/etc., I think that's your best bet. If you're looking for the safest, the Stinger is probably not the best bet, IMO. I think tubing size is going to be an influence too, FWIW.

01-18-2010, 08:59 PM	#1
shag Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Massillon, OH Posts: 24	Longtubes + Borla Touring or "S" type Going with Kooks longtubes w/cats, but undecided on Borla "S" or Borla Touring catback. Love the sound of Borla, had the "S" axle back setup on a 06 Mustang (yes I defected, so happy I did), but looking for little less drone. Do longtubes typically reduce drone? If true, going with "S" type, otherwise it's Touring catback for me. Hoping someone who first installed Borla "S" catback (or other catbacks with some drone), then added longtubes w/cats can comment.

01-19-2010, 11:18 AM	#2
2010SSRS Drives: 2000 Silverado Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Southern WI Posts: 1,241	headers will only make whatever you do LOUDER. i've heard folks with the Stinger setup claim some drone and Touring setup folks claim it too. this was my concern as well. i too went with Kooks LT's catted but i got a set of Corsa catbacks because from i heard out there, the Corsa have a nice idle and gettin' on it tone but at cruising speed they're almost silent.. but if i had to choose from the Borla line up, i'd go Touring because you have headers. if they're too quiet, you can swap out the mufflers for the Stingers. __________________ IOM 2SSRS LS3 R6P - VIN 7553 Delivered 5/22/2009 Kooks, Corsa and Roto-Fab - SOLD 9/2010 VR 2SSRS LS3 - Borla, SLP CAI

01-20-2010, 12:43 PM	#6
SwiftCat Get me my meds! Drives: 2010 SS/RS M6 & solid black, baby! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Maple Valley, Wa. Posts: 279	I have ARH LTs w/ Borla Stingers and they're completely tolerable. They're aggresive in WOT, but mellow enough when cruising. I too was concerned when buying them, but am extremely happy w/ them and wouldn't look back. Swifty P.S. The mild droning between 1700-1900 RPMs is less than what I had w/ MAC axle-backs in my Mustang GT...no problem. __________________ Mods: ADM race CAI, Vector tune, ARH headers, Borla 'S' types, Revolution hood & chin, MGW short-shifter, T-Rex phantom grille The legend continues...

01-21-2010, 02:28 PM	#14
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,205 View My Garage	I can only speak about the '02 I used to have, but there was LESS drone with LTs/cats' than manifolds/OEM cats' through my Borla CB. Yes - it was a totally different configuration, however, suprisingly, the drone was less. With the cutout open, just cruising, it wasn't bad at all! Now, once you got on it, the lower frequencies (with the CO open) were fairly muted, considering, and well, pretty loud at WOT. If you ask me, like the OP said - it's subjective. See about going for a ride with someone with a similar configuration to what you're considering. If you're looking for the best balance of loudness/tone/rasp/drone/etc., I think that's your best bet. If you're looking for the safest, the Stinger is probably not the best bet, IMO. I think tubing size is going to be an influence too, FWIW. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

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