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1camaro70 · 08-05-2009, 09:13 AM

From what everyone discusses, if you add the GMPP exhaust, headers and/ or CAI your warrenty is SAFE. So you would assume that they add NO horsepower or torque that would harm engine/ drivetrain. But if you add someone elses headers/ exhaust or CAI you add horsepower and torque that voids the warrenty. Headers, exhausts and CAI all add horsepower and torque no matter who made them so how is warrenty voided unless you use GMPP?
So you add GMPP and get 30 horsepower and 40 ft.lb . troque at the rear wheels, still have a warrenty.
Add someone elses = no warrenty?
Tune and get 20 HP and 40 ft.lb. torque = no warrenty?
How will GM defend this in court?

SGOS252382 · 08-05-2009, 09:22 AM

Your assuming the GMPP exhaust, intake, and shorty headers will make
30 rwhp, 40 lb ft or torque. Without tuning, I have my doughts that those parts will make that much HP and Torque. But assuming they do, there's
another issue to consider.

Tuning issue.
When you get your car tuned by a professional they do more than just add HP and Torque. They usually adjust settings in the transmission (shift points, rev limiter, shift firmness, torque management, etc) that make your car faster. These changes can affect the life of your transmission.

So a good tune is more than just HP and Torque.

gmag21 · 08-05-2009, 09:23 AM

Any modification added to the vehicle technically can't void the warranty. Nothing voids the warranty unless something YOU installed is PROVEN to harm what you want fixed or repaired under the warranty. They can say yeah yeah it'll be gone- but like if you had like a window problem/seat belt problem/oil change/any problem that is not from a modification they must fix it under warranty unless proven to cause the problem.

I bet those exhausts are crap anyways. Screw the warranty its a joke. Heard the phrase you gotta pay to play? Lol. But really, i wouldnt be worried about warranty issues with bolt ons; even foreign ones. The only thing that may cause them to be like what the hell no more warranty is like an ECU tune or a torque converter. im getting both so i dont care about warranty. How long u plan on keepin car for

gmag21 · 08-05-2009, 09:25 AM

Get longtube american racing headers with an axle back exhaust, lmr cold air intake, spark plugs, portted throttle body, and a GOOD tune and you will have tremendous gains and no worry for warranty (most likely)

SicSix6 · 08-05-2009, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1camaro70

From what everyone discusses, if you add the GMPP exhaust, headers and/ or CAI your warrenty is SAFE. So you would assume that they add NO horsepower or torque that would harm engine/ drivetrain. But if you add someone elses headers/ exhaust or CAI you add horsepower and torque that voids the warrenty. Headers, exhausts and CAI all add horsepower and torque no matter who made them so how is warrenty voided unless you use GMPP?
So you add GMPP and get 30 horsepower and 40 ft.lb . troque at the rear wheels, still have a warrenty.
Add someone elses = no warrenty?
Tune and get 20 HP and 40 ft.lb. torque = no warrenty?
How will GM defend this in court?

HUH?????????????

HOw is this hard to understand? If you order a car from GM, they warrant it.
If you order performance parts from GM and put them in that GM car yourself.... GM will not warrant the parts or any of the systems affected by the new parts.
If you order parts from GM and have GM install them in the GM vehicle with a warranty... It will mean that they might not warrant the parts affected, however they will warrant the parts they put in as well as their labor.
How could they warrant damage due to ..... say .... installing an MTI cam and ARH headers that they didn't produce or install?

Seems easy to understand. It has nothing to do with whether it produces more power or not.

To make it easier to understand....
Lets say you buy a JVC Flat screen tv. It has a 10 year warranty. If it explodes they will replace it. However, You want to make it more powerful by replacing the wiring in the TV with 10 Gauge wiring. YOu pull the whole TV apart do the wiring, put it back together, and wah lah. Brighter colors and enhanced sound. Well one day the TV catches on fire because of the wires you soldered in. Well the warranty is void because you not only opened the TV up, but you replaced the wires. Why would a company fix something that you may have tampered with.

rodimus prime · 08-05-2009, 09:37 AM

If you spin a bearing, they are not going to void your warrenty because of a CAI. However if your MAF malfuntions, they may not cover that because of the CAI. It has to be relevent to the part.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-05-2009, 09:39 AM

GMs parts are safe to use on GM vehicles. They test and validate them, otherwise they wouldn't protect your warranty. However, they don't test and validate aftermarket products....it's that simple.

But as someone else said. Your warranty isn't void as soon as you put them on. If something happens that they can PROVE was the fault of the modification...then they void it, otherwise, you're safe.

SGOS252382 · 08-05-2009, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SicSix6

HUH?????????????

HOw is this hard to understand? If you order a car from GM, they warrant it.
If you order performance parts from GM and put them in that GM car yourself.... GM will not warrant the parts or any of the systems affected by the new parts.
If you order parts from GM and have GM install them in the GM vehicle with a warranty... It will mean that they might not warrant the parts affected, however they will warrant the parts they put in as well as their labor.
How could they warrant damage due to ..... say .... installing an MTI cam and ARH headers that they didn't produce or install?

Seems easy to understand. It has nothing to do with whether it produces more power or not.

Good point.
What parts are available (or are expected to become available) that will significantly increase HP while allowing 2010 Camaro buyers to keep their full warranty?

Because the GM parts planned (intake, shorty headers, exhaust) aren't going to do it.

1camaro70 · 08-05-2009, 09:42 AM

Ok, I add a K&N filter, it adds horsepower and torqe (very little) it stresses EVERY component inside the engine due to power increase and in transmission, so that voids warrenty on those moving parts? If different L99 engines dyno as stock at between 300 and 325 horsepower there seams to be variance in power that components take as stock, so if you Tune a 305 HP engine to get 325 HP you VOID the warrenty?

rodimus prime · 08-05-2009, 09:48 AM

I would say a filter alone wouldnt void any warranties otherwise nobody would buy aftermarket filters. However an improperly oiled k&n could ruin your maf so that would void the warranty.

1camaro70 · 08-05-2009, 09:52 AM

NO ONE gets the point....GMPP components WILL add HP and torque, that the internal components of the engine will react to by producing more HP and torque and the transmission and components will handle, without touching any of those components directly.......SO........GM has designed the engine and transmission to take those increased stresses only if you use GM parts?

1camaro70 · 08-05-2009, 10:27 AM

the attached component is warrented by that manufacturer, headers, exhaust, CAI, whether GM or ARH, ALL added components STRESS the engine and transmission and rear end, Parts that have NOT BEEN MODIFIED, so GM headers add stress and GM warrents the internal engine components that are stressed. You add ARH headers and GM does not warrent the engine components that are stressed whether more or less stressed? You add headers and your transmission has a failure, so only if it was GM headers you get warrenty?

seems easy to understand. NOT.

MuscleCarz · 08-05-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1camaro70

NO ONE gets the point....GMPP components WILL add HP and torque, that the internal components of the engine will react to by producing more HP and torque and the transmission and components will handle, without touching any of those components directly.......SO........GM has designed the engine and transmission to take those increased stresses only if you use GM parts?

NO. Gm can only vouch for the parts they have developed and tested. GM can not vouch for Joe Blow's Super PVC CAI.

Adabisi · 08-05-2009, 10:41 AM

Seriously this hurts my brain. Your engines HP has no relation to the warranty its the parts that makeup the engine. HP is realitve to all of the parts that makeup your powertrain. Please stop looking at the engine as a single part.

GM warranty's all of their parts that they certify for our cars. So if you add a GMPP CAI and you gain HP that doesnt void your engine's warranty. That is the whole reason why GM has a Perfomance Parts division so they can cash in on what we are all going to bolt onto our cars anyways, but at least with GMPP we dont have to worry about who to point the finger at when/if something fails.

08-05-2009, 09:13 AM	#1
1camaro70 Drives: 2010 2SS RS L99 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BUTLER, PA Posts: 531	GMPP headers, exhaust, CAI add no POWER From what everyone discusses, if you add the GMPP exhaust, headers and/ or CAI your warrenty is SAFE. So you would assume that they add NO horsepower or torque that would harm engine/ drivetrain. But if you add someone elses headers/ exhaust or CAI you add horsepower and torque that voids the warrenty. Headers, exhausts and CAI all add horsepower and torque no matter who made them so how is warrenty voided unless you use GMPP? So you add GMPP and get 30 horsepower and 40 ft.lb . troque at the rear wheels, still have a warrenty. Add someone elses = no warrenty? Tune and get 20 HP and 40 ft.lb. torque = no warrenty? How will GM defend this in court?

08-05-2009, 09:23 AM	#3
gmag21 gmag21 Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lafayette/Kingwood Posts: 337	Any modification added to the vehicle technically can't void the warranty. Nothing voids the warranty unless something YOU installed is PROVEN to harm what you want fixed or repaired under the warranty. They can say yeah yeah it'll be gone- but like if you had like a window problem/seat belt problem/oil change/any problem that is not from a modification they must fix it under warranty unless proven to cause the problem. I bet those exhausts are crap anyways. Screw the warranty its a joke. Heard the phrase you gotta pay to play? Lol. But really, i wouldnt be worried about warranty issues with bolt ons; even foreign ones. The only thing that may cause them to be like what the hell no more warranty is like an ECU tune or a torque converter. im getting both so i dont care about warranty. How long u plan on keepin car for __________________ L99 \| Billyboat Exhaust, American Racing Headers, Pfadt Springs and Sways, Tune \| 350 whp / 371 tq

08-05-2009, 09:25 AM	#4
gmag21 gmag21 Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lafayette/Kingwood Posts: 337	Get longtube american racing headers with an axle back exhaust, lmr cold air intake, spark plugs, portted throttle body, and a GOOD tune and you will have tremendous gains and no worry for warranty (most likely) __________________ L99 \| Billyboat Exhaust, American Racing Headers, Pfadt Springs and Sways, Tune \| 350 whp / 371 tq

08-05-2009, 09:39 AM	#7
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	GMs parts are safe to use on GM vehicles. They test and validate them, otherwise they wouldn't protect your warranty. However, they don't test and validate aftermarket products....it's that simple. But as someone else said. Your warranty isn't void as soon as you put them on. If something happens that they can PROVE was the fault of the modification...then they void it, otherwise, you're safe. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

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08-05-2009, 09:22 AM	#2
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	Your assuming the GMPP exhaust, intake, and shorty headers will make 30 rwhp, 40 lb ft or torque. Without tuning, I have my doughts that those parts will make that much HP and Torque. But assuming they do, there's another issue to consider. Tuning issue. When you get your car tuned by a professional they do more than just add HP and Torque. They usually adjust settings in the transmission (shift points, rev limiter, shift firmness, torque management, etc) that make your car faster. These changes can affect the life of your transmission. So a good tune is more than just HP and Torque.

08-05-2009, 09:37 AM	#6
rodimus prime Account Suspended Drives: Cargo van. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Metal Metal Land Posts: 1,247	If you spin a bearing, they are not going to void your warrenty because of a CAI. However if your MAF malfuntions, they may not cover that because of the CAI. It has to be relevent to the part.

08-05-2009, 09:42 AM	#9
1camaro70 Drives: 2010 2SS RS L99 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BUTLER, PA Posts: 531	Ok, I add a K&N filter, it adds horsepower and torqe (very little) it stresses EVERY component inside the engine due to power increase and in transmission, so that voids warrenty on those moving parts? If different L99 engines dyno as stock at between 300 and 325 horsepower there seams to be variance in power that components take as stock, so if you Tune a 305 HP engine to get 325 HP you VOID the warrenty?

08-05-2009, 09:48 AM	#10
rodimus prime Account Suspended Drives: Cargo van. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Metal Metal Land Posts: 1,247	I would say a filter alone wouldnt void any warranties otherwise nobody would buy aftermarket filters. However an improperly oiled k&n could ruin your maf so that would void the warranty.

08-05-2009, 09:52 AM	#11
1camaro70 Drives: 2010 2SS RS L99 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BUTLER, PA Posts: 531	NO ONE gets the point....GMPP components WILL add HP and torque, that the internal components of the engine will react to by producing more HP and torque and the transmission and components will handle, without touching any of those components directly.......SO........GM has designed the engine and transmission to take those increased stresses only if you use GM parts?

08-05-2009, 10:27 AM	#12
1camaro70 Drives: 2010 2SS RS L99 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BUTLER, PA Posts: 531	the attached component is warrented by that manufacturer, headers, exhaust, CAI, whether GM or ARH, ALL added components STRESS the engine and transmission and rear end, Parts that have NOT BEEN MODIFIED, so GM headers add stress and GM warrents the internal engine components that are stressed. You add ARH headers and GM does not warrent the engine components that are stressed whether more or less stressed? You add headers and your transmission has a failure, so only if it was GM headers you get warrenty? seems easy to understand. NOT.

08-05-2009, 10:41 AM	#14
Adabisi Drives: 2010 SS2\RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Macomb Township Posts: 15 View My Garage	Seriously this hurts my brain. Your engines HP has no relation to the warranty its the parts that makeup the engine. HP is realitve to all of the parts that makeup your powertrain. Please stop looking at the engine as a single part. GM warranty's all of their parts that they certify for our cars. So if you add a GMPP CAI and you gain HP that doesnt void your engine's warranty. That is the whole reason why GM has a Perfomance Parts division so they can cash in on what we are all going to bolt onto our cars anyways, but at least with GMPP we dont have to worry about who to point the finger at when/if something fails.