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05-18-2013, 09:28 PM | #114 | |
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Eliminating extraneous creature comfort "mass" is just a tool to reduce weight. Windows that keep out the rain, doors that close and lock, instrument guages for the engine, a roof, power steering, power brakes, turn signals, a comfortable seat (non-power, non six-way memory, non-heating, non -cooling), windshield defroster, cabin heater....are plenty enough creature comforts....lol... |
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05-18-2013, 09:35 PM | #115 |
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or you could go out and buy the tires and make your own comparo
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05-18-2013, 09:36 PM | #116 |
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05-18-2013, 09:41 PM | #118 | |
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This is why I started the thread asking "what's missing?". Obviously they are wanting to justify their ZL1 purchases. The ZL1 needs NO justification it speaks volumes for itself.
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05-18-2013, 09:45 PM | #119 | |
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Still has ON-Star, rear seats, roof liner, carpeting, etc., etc.,...I think they almost chickened out and left in too many "creature comforts" as an appeasement to the gripers....lol... ....a real "stripper"...it ain't..... |
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05-18-2013, 09:47 PM | #120 | |
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Answer this and and a sensible person would stop asking why anyone wants to compare the Z camaros with the same tires: a z06 with those pirelli trofeo tires will best a zr1 on Goodyear f1 supercar tires. Wouldn't it be absurd if gm sold them that way and marketed the z06 as the top tier car? No one trying to justify a zl1 purchase, drive one and you'll be very aware that was never the case. Those who have powerful camaros understand the traction issue, I guess those that do not have, do not understand.
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05-18-2013, 09:56 PM | #121 | |
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05-18-2013, 09:56 PM | #122 | |
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ZL1 would have more HP, the supercharged engine, magnetic ride, a stereo, and on down the list for LESS!!! Bench racing at its finest no doubt but i think this comparison happens well after the Z/28s have been built and sold. But to flip this around. The Z07 was right on the heels of the ZR1 with basically a new spoiler, brakes, and tires. (a 7k package at that - what a bargain). Right now I think the Z/28 has to be a 60k car. Any more than that and i think it becomes a tough sell against the ZL1. |
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05-18-2013, 09:59 PM | #123 | |
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05-18-2013, 10:03 PM | #124 | |
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05-18-2013, 10:10 PM | #125 | |
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Yes, gm will say, no no, because their marketing of a faster car hinges on this comparison. Sad really, because as track platform the z28 looks to be the ideal pony track car. Its only bench racing until some magazine puts the same tires on both and puts randy pobst in the driver seats. Then z28 is still a better track car Platform for a hobbyist or race team, but it will look very poorly on GMs 3 second claim.
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05-18-2013, 10:12 PM | #126 |
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I went to the Chevy dealer last year to buy a bare-bones, entry level Camaro for the wife. We traded in her piece of dung and I expected to rarely drive it. We drove off in a 45th Vert. Funny how that happens...
Now, after reading about Camaros on this forum for the last year - ZL1, et al, I'm hooked. And being able to receive senior discounts at more and more establishments nowadays, my age alone makes me Jones for the venerable Z/28. I just hope I can resist and not mortgage my retirement. |
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