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10-07-2011, 06:16 PM | #1223 | ||
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Keep heads, and block and everything else, just replace pistons / rods, crank should be good to 800hp. But, everything else is trash. If you want NA then there are other options, or get a 454 (if you have the scratch), but don't put any adders on it or you'll end up with a nice conversation piece in the middle of your living room. Quote:
Of course die hard fans most popular comeback is "what about your warranty". LOL I can't wait to see what you guys come out with next, my installer has your products (top to bottom / front to back) on their shop SS and I can tell you "if" the ZL1 grips the road any better it might be a 1-2% improvement, and I even doubt that. My opinion is it's always a halfway job from the manufacturer which is a mediocre baseline that can be used for improvements. And, the reason is not because GM doesn't know how to do it better (they have race teams that do this for a living), its' a balance of the budget vs the deliverable and how much they forecast sales and estimate how much they can sell the vehicle. So, by this tiem next summer there will be a bunch of 2010 Camaro SS, LSX, SSX, TT/I, TI, and a whole slew of other labels that will smoke the ZL1, Z/28 or anything else they come out with because they'll have the most displacement, biggest air adders, and sickest suspension upgrades you can buy on the open market. Cheers to Pedders for making awesome products. BTW - Thanks, for the on my 427 build, can't wait, getting impatient. Couldn't drive all summer. Last edited by calbert1999; 10-07-2011 at 06:32 PM. |
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10-07-2011, 07:25 PM | #1224 |
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I'd be very thankful...and in the buyers' lineup at Local Chevrolet...for an n/a LS7 ZEE that makes 5% more power than an LSA, and has 5% less weight than a ZL1...for (5% + 5% =) 10% le$$...
"OK, LOWDOWN, time for your MEDS!!" Actually, (+5% - 5% =) the SAME price would work...but only under these criteria...with a 5/100 warranty. |
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But, that's it man. I gave GM one last chance to step up after the bail-out and they messed up big time. |
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10-07-2011, 07:47 PM | #1226 | |
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10-07-2011, 09:54 PM | #1227 | |
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oh and btw just because it has heads and block of an LS3 doesn't make it an ls3. LS376. not designated an LS3 but has heads, block and most of the same internals. if you remove all internals to install forged ones you might as well build a better all around engine with forged internals from the ground up. Then sale the current engine from intake to oil pan. you have to remove the engine anyways to replace those internals. |
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10-07-2011, 10:06 PM | #1228 | |
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JP, considering the lower ride height, internals, etc, how realistic the factory would ever do something close to this to offer public with a warranty?
I'm just not in the camp that thinks GM will build a normally aspirated engine for public consumption (Z28)above or even close to what ZL1 has. I'm thinking maybe 550HP and about 300 lbs less is about all. Maybe... if they even do it before Gen6. |
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10-08-2011, 01:13 AM | #1231 |
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10-08-2011, 09:05 AM | #1232 |
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The reality of the LS7 situation is, there is precedence for more output. Folks like LPE and Katech, two GM-friendly and -associated "power consultants", offer long-term warranteed versions of this fine engine with well over 550 hp. 600+, in fact...
If GM can raise the LSA stakes by 4.3% (580 vs. 556), I'm confident the same factor could apply to the LS7...which could then total 527 hp. With 5/100 coverage... A Z/28, brought in at 1SS Curb (3850) with an enhanced LS7 rating (527) would deliver a power-to-weight of 7.30. Remember when folks ooh'd 'n awed at the ZL1's possibility of a 7.24 (4025/556)??? With at least 200 fewer pounds over the nose, which one would outrun which? Witching, indeed... Too bad Vince Piggins wasn't around to take "Pete" Estes for another "test drive"... Maybe Ron Fellows could drag Dan A. kickin' 'n screamin' 'round Spring Mountain... |
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