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edog · 02-20-2009, 06:10 AM

I must admit, my stomach had an uneasy feeling when I first read it the other day. I am glad I waited to start posting. Also, I am elated to hear the good news.

edog · 02-20-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DkknightX

Good luck with that. I have an 800 credit rating and I'm staring down the barrel of 8.1%. Have fun getting robbed my friend.

You are paying way to much. I have a 770 credit rating and I have been approved by a credit union for 4.75% on 72 months.

You should check around to see what is out there. Many of places are taking memberships for new accounts. Even credit unions will take memberships with unconventional credentials.

*GTAHVIT* · 02-20-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DkknightX

You guys are out of your minds!! Who cares about the Z-28 now?! Do you want GM to commit suicide and prevent any chance they might have to somehow survive this mess and keep working on versions of this Camaro that won't sell enough to make it worthwhile for the company?! Seriously. Get your priorities straight people!

Your are entitled to your opinion, how about you respect ours?

None of us have ever said that GM should make the Z28 ahead of getting the company healty.

Whitten · 02-20-2009, 07:18 AM

It is simple economics that if you can produce a product that sells 100% of it's production numbers and has a reasonable mark-up included in it's cost that is enough to cover the R&D necessary to produce it then there is no reason not to make said production model.

So in essence, if GM knows they can build a Z/28 that will allow them to make a profit not just break even then they will. Seriously if you are so bent out of shape about if they are or aren't going to build a Z/28 then you aren't looking at this objectively.

What I mean by this is that if you really want a Z build one don't wait to see if they are going to build one. Buy a base model and put an LSA in it...if it were me to do, I would buy an SS and put a 427 in it and call it a day.

GM, is trimming fat right now, what I see them doing is waiting to see how the Camaro is going to sell on a small basis. Once they have made some money back on the car they can think about variations, and I have faith that we will see some cool options in the coming future. Just hold tight, 5 years ago no one thought we would even be seeing a new Camaro.

Whitten · 02-20-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DkknightX

Who cares about the Z-28 now?! Do you want GM to commit suicide and prevent any chance they might have to somehow survive this mess and keep working on versions of this Camaro that won't sell enough to make it worthwhile for the company?! Seriously. Get your priorities straight people!

GM does, GM is no different than any other business in that it will produce what people are willing to buy so long as they can make a margin of profit even if it be small.

As for Priorities, priorities are a matter of dates, as of now they are not looking to come out with new they are streamlining to stop the financial bleeding. That is right now. In the future they are going to look to make adjustments to what they have and introduce some new trim levels which very easily could include a Z/28.

No matter the size of a production line profit is profit no matter where it comes from. Don't think for one minute they are going to just turn their back on the Camaro especially when the car is generating so much press.
People keep saying this isn't the time to be coming out with the Camaro in general and I disagree. This is a great time to see this car, it helps to elevate spirits and show that GM is dedicated to giving it's customers the products that it wants.

Airforce1 · 02-20-2009, 07:41 AM

Tran Thanks

Is there new info on the SS release dates, info here in Orlando is hard to come by the dealers just throw their hands up and laugh.

rmyers · 02-20-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 1_2Many

Me thinks this does mean the end of the Z28 though :(

I disagree. I think we may be reading too much into this. Who says the Z/28 would need to be developed by that department.

Edrock · 02-20-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rmyers

I disagree. I think we may be reading too much into this. Who says the Z/28 would need to be developed by that department.

Even if that dept developed the Z28, the article said that there was a chance that the team would be re-formed when the economy turned around and the company was in better shape financially. So I say, don't sweat it. Gives you something else to look forward to and hope for. Besides, nobody would have ever thought that GM would have discontinued an icon like the Camaro, yet they did. And who would have thought that GM would bring it back years later and they have. You never know what's going to happen down the road. It will be interesting to see it unfold though...

boxmonkeyracing · 02-20-2009, 08:49 AM

Tell me why a z28 has to have a supercharger and cost 45-50k? Seriously if they see the z as being very profitable a different way they'll make it.

Some people read too much into the news. And some people don't pay close enough attention to the back stories.

Many people knew the camaro was being killed off and why. And once the contract agreement was up we saw the concept. Guess we don't pay attention to what's important. Camaro is being built. If demand dictates and the general can afford it a Z28 will be produced.

*GTAHVIT* · 02-20-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

Tell me why a z28 has to have a supercharger and cost 45-50k? Seriously if they see the z as being very profitable a different way they'll make it.

Some people read too much into the news. And some people don't pay close enough attention to the back stories.

Many people knew the camaro was being killed off and why. And once the contract agreement was up we saw the concept. Guess we don't pay attention to what's important. Camaro is being built. If demand dictates and the general can afford it a Z28 will be produced.

You might have missed the article in this thread... It's whats caused the LSA/Z28 talk to flare back up.

Check it out!

boxmonkeyracing · 02-20-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gtahvit

You might have missed the article in this thread... It's whats caused the LSA/Z28 talk to flare back up.

Check it out!

Oh I saw it but I had faith in the ss production to begin with and believe the people still being neg about it's production and development are either reading too much into everything or not paying attention enough.

carolinacamaro · 02-20-2009, 10:05 AM

people wanting more and more is what has put us here right now spending billions for a chance at a camaro.... just to keep it alive... i for one am happy with what we will be getting... and i have always thought z28 is such a ugly name plate everything... so heres to the SS king as he always should be...

Punk_rider · 02-20-2009, 10:29 AM

This closing sounds so stupid to me. HiPo are flagships. What do you want to build now? Prius?

Lingenfelter is my only hope right now ..

rmyers · 02-20-2009, 11:35 AM

The Z doesnt have to cost 50k. It depends on the approach. Twin turbo the V6 DI, use it in other platforms to get economies of scale....then you would have a hi performing 450+ racer similar to the original Z's. It could be done for under 40k and I would buy one tomorrow. The SS remains the higher displacement, more luxurious model. Just as they were in the 1st gen cars.

02-20-2009, 06:10 AM	#43
edog Drives: 2010 2SS/RS IOM Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: F'BURG VA Posts: 3,828 View My Garage	I must admit, my stomach had an uneasy feeling when I first read it the other day. I am glad I waited to start posting. Also, I am elated to hear the good news. __________________ Update...Build in process, Forged Rods, Pistons and rings, Johnson Lifters, NOVI1500 ECS SC, 13lb boost or more, LS3 Conversion 114/228/241 COMP CAM, Frostbite 4 row Aluminum radiator, 6L80 built, Circle D 6L80 PRO SERIES MULTI 258MM 2D, Stock 3.45 gears, 1-7/8 American Racing Headers w/HF cat, X-Pipe, Lingenfelter dual fuel pump, E-85 flex sensor, ATI super damper pulley, Ported TB, 160 therm, Trans cooler, Pedder's sways/end links/sub frame bushings, BMR trailing arms & toe rods, Coil overs. HP/TQ pending

02-20-2009, 10:29 AM	#55
Punk_rider Drives: VW Typ 166 + Black 1LE Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 763	This closing sounds so stupid to me. HiPo are flagships. What do you want to build now? Prius? Lingenfelter is my only hope right now .. __________________ I'm kindly asking: "May I have a supercharged Z28 with 550 hp please? By the end of 2009 would be awesome. Thanks"

02-20-2009, 11:35 AM	#56
rmyers Drives: Both American Made Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 781	The Z doesnt have to cost 50k. It depends on the approach. Twin turbo the V6 DI, use it in other platforms to get economies of scale....then you would have a hi performing 450+ racer similar to the original Z's. It could be done for under 40k and I would buy one tomorrow. The SS remains the higher displacement, more luxurious model. Just as they were in the 1st gen cars. __________________ 2012 ZL1 #213 M6 Black on Black 2013 ZL1 #2638 Convertible Auto 2010 Chevrolet Suburban 2011 GMC Seirra HD Denali

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Airforce1 Drives: 2SS/RS 6speed Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 94 View My Garage	Tran Thanks Is there new info on the SS release dates, info here in Orlando is hard to come by the dealers just throw their hands up and laugh.

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