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Mister Will · 07-25-2013, 12:01 PM

It beat a C6 Corvette Grand Sport also which technically shouldn't be possible.

I am doing research for a pony car. I am looking seriously at the Shelby GT500 and Camaro ZL1. The Camaro 1LE is appealing from a practicality stand point($). As far as the 1LE beating the GT500 at VIR, I'm curious as to why. Because it shouldn't have happened. The 1!LE has a great suspension. But it gives up nearly 250 HP! It weighs nearly the same as the GT500. The GT500 should have destroyed the 1LE's time. Even at the C&D hot laps the 1LE did presentable. I can understand why the ZL1 can compete with the Shelby GT500, but the 1LE?

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html

Synner · 07-25-2013, 12:12 PM

HP doesn't mean that much on that kind of track. The 500 has piss poor tires, wheels and suspension compared to the 1LE or ZL1. Theres a big difference between power and usable power.

tramtwo · 07-25-2013, 12:18 PM

No production Mustang at any cost has had a better published time than a 1LE on any road course to date.

this setup is bad assed....

scubadoo7 · 07-25-2013, 12:51 PM

Also, Fords solid rear axle is total fail on road course.

Chris6067 · 07-25-2013, 01:04 PM

A big part of why the 1LE does so good on the track is because of it's Independent Rear Suspension, which is no secret to anyone.

It's also roughly 300 lbs lighter than the ZL1, if I remember correctly.

Mister Will · 07-25-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris6067

A big part of why the 1LE does so good on the track is because of it's Independent Rear Suspension, which is no secret to anyone.

It's also roughly 300 lbs lighter than the ZL1, if I remember correctly.

This is correct. The 1LE is about 300 lbs lighter. It just has so much more power that it can accelerate out of the corners faster than the LS3 equipted 1LE.

gajagfan · 07-25-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Will

This is correct. The 1LE is about 300 lbs lighter. It just has so much more power that it can accelerate out of the corners faster than the LS3 equipted 1LE.

Not if it can't get the power to the ground, or if it has started to over heat as it often tends to do. That car is a great idea in principle, poor example of execution.

MarkSS · 07-25-2013, 02:02 PM

There was a new GT500 at a recent track day, and not only was my 1LE significantly faster... so was a Boss 302 LS that was there (and a Volvo wagon...)

Ajdin@A2BMotorsport · 07-25-2013, 02:30 PM

I beat out GT500's at Toronto Motorsports Park in my 3.8GT Genesis Coupe (with Hankook RS3 tires, HUGE whiteline swaybars, HSD 3 Way Coils and every other suspension arm, brace by Cusco)... Mustang and Handling do not fit together... apparently the new generation will have IRS though.

Mister Will · 07-25-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gajagfan

Not if it can't get the power to the ground, or if it has started to over heat as it often tends to do. That car is a great idea in principle, poor example of execution.

Wait, are you talking about the ZL1 or the GT500?

tramtwo · 07-25-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkSS

There was a new GT500 at a recent track day, and not only was my 1LE significantly faster... so was a Boss 302 LS that was there (and a Volvo wagon...)

gajagfan · 07-25-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Will

Wait, are you talking about the ZL1 or the GT500?

GT500. That was a report on one of the many comparisons road tests I watched on line was that the GT500 overheated after a few laps and they had to slow down and let it cool off. They hammered the ZL1 all day long. The power to the ground is probably a challenge for both vehicles, but the straight axle of the Ford is not the way to win that battle.

Mister Will · 07-25-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gajagfan

GT500. That was a report on one of the many comparisons road tests I watched on line was that the GT500 overheated after a few laps and they had to slow down and let it cool off. They hammered the ZL1 all day long. The power to the ground is probably a challenge for both vehicles, but the straight axle of the Ford is not the way to win that battle.

Just to clarify. I watched the comparison between the two at Laguna Seca. What they said was the brakes started to fade after a lap. Is that what you are talking about or are sure it's the coolant temperature?

gajagfan · 07-25-2013, 03:57 PM

Yes, and this was not at Lagune Seca. I apologize for not knowing where it was, and I just did a quick look, and could not find it. I will look later and post if i find it. It was done by two guys and kind of a fun way to pick which car was better.

07-25-2013, 12:01 PM	#1
Mister Will Drives: 2021 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Diego, CA. Posts: 457	Camaro 1LE lap time bests Shelby GT500 @ VIR, comments? It beat a C6 Corvette Grand Sport also which technically shouldn't be possible. I am doing research for a pony car. I am looking seriously at the Shelby GT500 and Camaro ZL1. The Camaro 1LE is appealing from a practicality stand point($). As far as the 1LE beating the GT500 at VIR, I'm curious as to why. Because it shouldn't have happened. The 1!LE has a great suspension. But it gives up nearly 250 HP! It weighs nearly the same as the GT500. The GT500 should have destroyed the 1LE's time. Even at the C&D hot laps the 1LE did presentable. I can understand why the ZL1 can compete with the Shelby GT500, but the 1LE? http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...l_raceway.html

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Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,545	HP doesn't mean that much on that kind of track. The 500 has piss poor tires, wheels and suspension compared to the 1LE or ZL1. Theres a big difference between power and usable power.

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tramtwo Drives: 2021 1LE Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: N'Awlinz Posts: 6,315	No production Mustang at any cost has had a better published time than a 1LE on any road course to date. this setup is bad assed....

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scubadoo7 Airborne Recondo Drives: Crystal Red 2SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Fairfax Station Va. Posts: 864	Also, Fords solid rear axle is total fail on road course.

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Chris6067 Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Fort St. John, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 15	A big part of why the 1LE does so good on the track is because of it's Independent Rear Suspension, which is no secret to anyone. It's also roughly 300 lbs lighter than the ZL1, if I remember correctly.

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MarkSS Drives: 2014 Z/28 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 412	There was a new GT500 at a recent track day, and not only was my 1LE significantly faster... so was a Boss 302 LS that was there (and a Volvo wagon...)

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Ajdin@A2BMotorsport Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Camaro 1SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Waterloo Posts: 609	I beat out GT500's at Toronto Motorsports Park in my 3.8GT Genesis Coupe (with Hankook RS3 tires, HUGE whiteline swaybars, HSD 3 Way Coils and every other suspension arm, brace by Cusco)... Mustang and Handling do not fit together... apparently the new generation will have IRS though.

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gajagfan Drives: 2013 1SS 1LE Black - Std Exhaust Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Brunswick, GA Posts: 3,622 View My Garage	Yes, and this was not at Lagune Seca. I apologize for not knowing where it was, and I just did a quick look, and could not find it. I will look later and post if i find it. It was done by two guys and kind of a fun way to pick which car was better.