09-17-2013, 06:33 AM | #29 |
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L99 vs. LS3 in bumper to bumper / stop and go traffic need I say more
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09-17-2013, 06:41 AM | #30 | |
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09-17-2013, 06:48 AM | #31 | |
Be humble or buzz off
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Well that's easy, her hands are free for "shifting".
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09-17-2013, 06:56 AM | #32 | |
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Get stuck in a 2 hour traffic jam and then decide.
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09-17-2013, 07:12 AM | #33 | |
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For me anyway, it doesn't even matter if/when the that other person's (committee's ?) shift programming might be better than my own natural shift timing - that it's still going to be a little different most of the time is what can make this a little like having a tiny grain of sand in your shoe that you can't find. Just a constant irritation and a reminder that I'm not the only one driving my car. I doubt it possible to develop a "learning" mode for automatic transmission shifting that could accurately anticipate the way I'd naturally execute the next upshift or downshift sequence. The best it could ever do is react to what it thinks I might be up to, and many times it will guess wrong. Guaranteed (even I can't make that sort of prediction with anything approaching certainty). Manually shifting an automatic doesn't feel or behave the same - it will be modified by what you're doing with the throttle in ways that a MT cannot be. Consider this . . . I doubt many AT drivers are aware that it is possible to rev-match a manually commanded AT downshift and avoid the forward lurch that otherwise occurs, but it absolutely is possible. However, your own timing of what to do with your right foot is much more critical than it is with a conventional MT, else you'll lurch forward anyway if you kick the gas too late, or backward if you kick the gas too soon. Remember that you don't have clutch pedal modulation available to smooth out any minor timing or rpm errors from what you did with the throttle. Norm |
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09-17-2013, 07:19 AM | #34 |
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Buying an automatic V8 camaro is like buying a Ferrari without an engine. I have had both. I had one automatic Formula and three or four manual Trans Ams. The manuals were always more fun. The times Chevy lists in their brochures shows the manual being slightly quicker if that means anything to you. I'f i drove in constant stop and go traffic, I may prefer an automatic but thankfully my drive is not too bad. Drive both and see which one you like.
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09-17-2013, 07:20 AM | #35 |
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The simple fact is: A bone stock L99 vs bone stock LS3, same body type, equally matched drivers, standing 1/4 mile... L99 wins.
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09-17-2013, 07:25 AM | #36 |
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[QUOTE=Norm Peterson;7009434]
I doubt it possible to develop a "learning" mode for automatic transmission shifting that could accurately anticipate the way I'd naturally execute the next upshift or downshift sequence. The best it could ever do is react to what it thinks I might be up to, and many times it will guess wrong. Guaranteed (even I can't make that sort of prediction with anything approaching certainty). /QUOTE] The A6 trans don't "learn" your personal driving habits, but they do have Adaptive programing. Granted there are preset limits to the programing, but the harder you drive them in Sport mode the programing will adjust itself. When you are pushing it, it will hold gears longer and shift harder, and try to predict what your next move will be and try to adjust itself. That's what all the preloading the fluids for the next gear is all about in the 6L90e used in the ZL1. So I have read ... And the A6 in the ZL1 acts a lot different than the programing in the SS.
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Driving a A6 SS in Sport Mode totally changes the feel and performance vs. Drive Mode. Installing a Range AFM Deactivator device eliminates AFM completely.
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09-17-2013, 07:36 AM | #38 |
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Very true, but at the same time, the way the ls3 feels is so much different.
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09-17-2013, 07:47 AM | #39 | |
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09-17-2013, 08:00 AM | #41 |
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It all comes down to preference, your skill level, and what you want out of your car. Are you skilled at driving and shifting? Do you want to drag race or autocross? Do you want bragging rights? Do you just want to have fun?
I have a manual, and this is my first daily driver that is a stick so my shifting skills aren't the greatest yet. I'm sure I would get beat by an automatic. I also drive in stop and go bumper to bumper traffic frequently. That said, I still wouldn't trade by stick for an automatic. I drove my father in law's Camaro for a couple of days. His is a V6 RS like mine, but his is an auto. It completely changes the character of the car. I felt like I was driving any old car with his, it took the fun and the character out of the experience. I suppose if you had the V8 it would make up for some of it, but for me it killed the Camaro experience. |
09-17-2013, 08:08 AM | #42 |
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