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ViperTomcat · 05-07-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chain777

7 speed DCT. Torque multiplication + lightning fast shifts.

That too.

djm96z28 · 05-07-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Its where the M3's torque shows up (3900 RPM) vs where the Camaro's torque arrives (5200). The nearly 300 ftlbs arrives 1300 RPM sooner than the Camaro and thus the M3 gets out of the hole and up to speed alot quicker, and at speed the HP then kicks in and kicks the M3 down the track fast.

On the current V6 if the 270(ish?) HP were to kick in at 4200 RPM vs its current mark you would see the Camaro be quite a bit quicker.

Its one of of the reasons why people get confused when a "smaller"/ weaker motor can bring a car to speed almost as fast, or even faster, than a larger engine. I'd rather have 410 ftlbs at 4100 vs 430 HP at 6400.

Absolutely. That's what I love about my LT1. Factory 285 hp but 325 fl/lbs of torque at a LOW 2,400 rpm. It'll scoot out of the hole.

Ovenmitt · 05-07-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroFreako

Slow forever.

V6 people. Lol.

formare · 05-07-2011, 03:14 PM

My 76 TA was rated maximum torque 310ft/lbs at 1600 rpm. Very slow car indeed. I think what we are saying is it's about the largest and broadest torque curve that wins all other thing being equal.

A 3.6l v6 with a flat 200ft/lb available from 2200 to 5500 would easily outperform the much larger 6.6 liter that peaked Torque at 1600 (310ft/lbs) and reached maximum hp at 3600rpm (all 180 hp).

SGOS252382 · 05-07-2011, 03:19 PM

One of the main reason the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro is because of the weight difference.

V6 Camaro - 3790 lbs
V6 Mustang - 3508 lbs

That's 282 lb difference. That's worth about .3 in the 1/4 mile. It also equates to about 30hp penalty.

BaylorCamaro · 05-07-2011, 03:22 PM

It's not going to happen. Plus they are going to worse gear ratios, at least in the 2LS (I think its a 2.92 ratio). With all the mods I have on mine I'm just at 13.9-14.0, if they want it to be in the 13's stock a lot more is going to have to happen.

ViperTomcat · 05-07-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SGOS252382

One of the main reason the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro is because of the weight difference.

V6 Camaro - 3790 lbs
V6 Mustang - 3508 lbs

That's 282 lb difference. That's worth about .3 in the 1/4 mile. It also equates to about 30hp penalty.

And the fact that Ford offers a "V6 Performance Pack" for the V6 Mustang which includes 3.31 gears.

Add in the fact that the new Ford V6 responds incredibly well to a CAI and Tune (25+ RWHP) and more performance minded gears makes the V6 Mustang a serious threat. From a very strict performance numbers game (nothing subjective like looks, commonality, color, etc) is the better car in terms of performance and customizations.

Again..I'm talking hard numbers, not opinions.

PoorMansCamaro · 05-07-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

And the fact that Ford offers a "V6 Performance Pack" for the V6 Mustang which includes 3.31 gears.

Add in the fact that the new Ford V6 responds incredibly well to a CAI and Tune (25+ RWHP) and more performance minded gears makes the V6 Mustang a serious threat. From a very strict performance numbers game (nothing subjective like looks, commonality, color, etc) is the better car in terms of performance and customizations.

Again..I'm talking hard numbers, not opinions.

now only if it didn't say "Ford" or "Mustang", i probably would have gotten it.

CamaroFreako · 05-07-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SGOS252382

One of the main reason the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro is because of the weight difference.

V6 Camaro - 3790 lbs
V6 Mustang - 3508 lbs

That's 282 lb difference. That's worth about .3 in the 1/4 mile. It also equates to about 30hp penalty.

You mean one of many other reasons......

Ford built a better V6 car

DarkneSS · 05-07-2011, 03:59 PM

With a manual maybe.

ViperTomcat · 05-07-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkneSS

With a manual maybe.

Maybe not. With better gearing you'd see the advantage shift more than likely to the auto.

BaylorCamaro · 05-07-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

And the fact that Ford offers a "V6 Performance Pack" for the V6 Mustang which includes 3.31 gears.

Add in the fact that the new Ford V6 responds incredibly well to a CAI and Tune (25+ RWHP) and more performance minded gears makes the V6 Mustang a serious threat. From a very strict performance numbers game (nothing subjective like looks, commonality, color, etc) is the better car in terms of performance and customizations.

Again..I'm talking hard numbers, not opinions.

Totally agree with you. The V6 Mustang is a better performer.. But I'm totally content with my slow V6 Camaro

ViperTomcat · 05-07-2011, 04:09 PM

Again..I'm not saying the Camaro is a pig/slouch/ugly/stupid/illegitimate child of a German garbage man/whatever. What I am saying is that GM isnt utilizing the Camaro, in either the SS or V6 trims to its proper potential.

Personally I think things like factory short tube headers, intakes, tunes, gears, cat-backs, etc should be a FACTORY option.

Want a V6 Camaro with headers, intake, exhaust and a full warranty? Done, but it'll cost you.

67 GTO · 05-07-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BaylorAirForce

Totally agree with you. The V6 Mustang is a better performer.. But I'm totally content with my slow V6 Camaro

Yep, feel the same way. If you don't street race like me it doesn't much matter.

A few bolt ons and the car does fine at the track for what it is.

Enjoying your car is all that counts to me.

05-07-2011, 03:14 PM	#18
formare The Milano Drives: 2017 Firefly ShipWorks Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chicagoland (Crown Point, IN) Posts: 1,877 View My Garage	My 76 TA was rated maximum torque 310ft/lbs at 1600 rpm. Very slow car indeed. I think what we are saying is it's about the largest and broadest torque curve that wins all other thing being equal. A 3.6l v6 with a flat 200ft/lb available from 2200 to 5500 would easily outperform the much larger 6.6 liter that peaked Torque at 1600 (310ft/lbs) and reached maximum hp at 3600rpm (all 180 hp). __________________ My first Love. She was called "Miss Carriage" (still cry when I think about her) 383, Muncie 4 speed, custom linkage mated to hurst short throw shifter.

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BaylorCamaro Track > 1/4 Mile Drives: 2016 C7 Z51 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: League City, TX Posts: 6,072 View My Garage	It's not going to happen. Plus they are going to worse gear ratios, at least in the 2LS (I think its a 2.92 ratio). With all the mods I have on mine I'm just at 13.9-14.0, if they want it to be in the 13's stock a lot more is going to have to happen. __________________ Automotive YouTube Channel / Texas World Speedway / MSR Houston

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05-07-2011, 03:19 PM	#19
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	One of the main reason the V6 Mustang is faster than the V6 Camaro is because of the weight difference. V6 Camaro - 3790 lbs V6 Mustang - 3508 lbs That's 282 lb difference. That's worth about .3 in the 1/4 mile. It also equates to about 30hp penalty.

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DarkneSS Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS 6MT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Westchester, New York Posts: 3,715	With a manual maybe.

05-07-2011, 04:09 PM	#27
ViperTomcat Banned Drives: 2011 Avenger Heat Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,697	Again..I'm not saying the Camaro is a pig/slouch/ugly/stupid/illegitimate child of a German garbage man/whatever. What I am saying is that GM isnt utilizing the Camaro, in either the SS or V6 trims to its proper potential. Personally I think things like factory short tube headers, intakes, tunes, gears, cat-backs, etc should be a FACTORY option. Want a V6 Camaro with headers, intake, exhaust and a full warranty? Done, but it'll cost you.