12-27-2013, 02:52 PM | #1 |
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Cost of Turbo vs. Super?
Hi everyone,
Have been looking around, and have seen a few threads saying S/Cs typically cost less than Turbos. From a quick scan of different mods sites, I see turbo kits like Turbonetics for <$6K, and bunch of S/C kits (maggie, whipple) for ~$7.5K. Am I missing some piece of the cost? Guessing it costs more to install / maintain a turbo? If anyone has any real numbers to compare would be much appreciated. Thanks for any help!
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12-27-2013, 03:04 PM | #2 |
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I don’t have numbers, but the centrifugal SCs like IPF can be less expensive due to simpler installation compared to turbos, maggie, or whipple. Tuning a turbo, maggie, or whipple may be more complex (and expensive) than the tune included in the IPF SC. The trade-off is that power output with centrifugal SC may be lower than turbo or PD SC.
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12-27-2013, 03:21 PM | #3 |
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Install is easy, maintence is no more.
It gets to be an even bigger difference when you start to add headers, 8 ribs, pulleys, tensioners, heat exchangers, spacers, od rear kits, cold airs, etc. As for the IPF stuff, this the v8 section, not v6 section. Not even sure they make v8 kits.
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12-28-2013, 06:10 PM | #4 |
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I have a turbonetics t76 kit and outside of the kit cost and install
You'll need a Boost controller/boost gauge Wide band A pillar gauge pod I'd suggest other mods (same as sc cars) would be suspension work. You don't want to add all that power with out beefing up the suspension I added Trailing arms Toe links 11 inch rims Subframe bushings With a sc set up you'll most likely add a cold air intake and headers my turbo kit uses stock manifolds and utilizes the stock parts for the air intake. I used a cold air inductions filter instead. Headers can be expensive too. One of my favorite features of the turbo is I can crank up the power for the situation I'm in with the boost controller. Either way keep in mind once you add any forced induction the game changes and the car becomes a money Pitt good luck Either way you go think out your supporting mods. Pm me if you have any turbo questions |
12-29-2013, 09:29 PM | #5 |
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I'm all about the supporting mods at this point. I didn't listen, again, and went turbo and now my car can not put the power to the road. Sure 60 MPH burn outs are fun and impressive, but a car with 620 RWHP that still runs 12 second 1/4 mile times is hardly worth the expense.
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12-30-2013, 11:00 AM | #6 |
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The bottom line for cost is how much power do you want to make. It is much more expensive to go up in small steps than to make big changes. Like everyone else has commented, it is not so much the cost of the turbo or supercharger but the cost of the exhaust and intake mods and all the cooling changes and fuel pumps and injectors and clutches, blocks, rods and pistons....
I personally think the superchargers are a little less money for moderate horsepower gains. If you want big power (more than 750 whp) it would probably be cheaper to start straight out with the turbos.
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12-30-2013, 12:42 PM | #8 | |
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2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq
2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date. |
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12-30-2013, 01:09 PM | #9 |
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AGP base kit for a manual is $7500 and we include shipping. includes everything needed for install, if you want to add gauges or a boost controller you easily can for not much more. Install is roughly 10-12 hours.
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01-02-2014, 11:20 PM | #10 |
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OP Twin turbo kits are the ones that you hear of that are more than a supercharger. Superchargers catch up quick in price though when you need supporting mods to make the same power as bolting on a turbo kit.
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01-03-2014, 02:17 AM | #11 |
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Either way it gets pricy. Figure out your goals and go that direction. Like it's said, " you gotta pay to play"!
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01-03-2014, 09:11 AM | #13 |
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600-650 isn't that hard to hook. Tires and maybe some bushings do wonders. Tires alone will hook 600rwhp. It amazes me how many people try to go fast on stock tires/wheels.
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