11-01-2011, 04:59 AM | #1 | |
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beckyd need clarification: NOV ZL1 ALLOCATION
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"OCT. 24 - Allocation number... This will be the number of ZL1s the dealer can order. It does NOT mean they can order that many right away. They are alloted to the dealer. The allotment cycle used to run Thursday to Thursday (check for updates Friday morning). So the next allocation cycle is October 6th-13th... a dealer is alloted so many orders that cycle. They get ther allocation cycle a month at a time (October) So lets say they get 4 allocated for October... and there are 4 cycles (weeks) in October... it could be 4-0-0-0 or 0-0-0-4 or 1-1-1-1 or 2-0-2-0... and so on. Get it? They will only know 1 month at a time." My Questions still. "It does NOT mean they can order that many right away." Truth or false? "So the next allocation cycle is October 6th-13th... a dealer is alloted so many orders that cycle." Truth or False? Is this the mystery why some dealers can't order now even though they state they have been allocated 5 zl1's? Does it mean just because a dealer has allocation they STILL cannot at this time submit a successful order until a later date? Do you feel because of this statement "It does NOT mean they can order that many right away." is why Me and 10 others are now in limbo even though we have been promised a allocation spot?
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ZL1, LSA, MN6/MG9, DSX, RTQ, VR, Current Status: 2030 1000 Initial Order 11/11/2011 Chevyland 1100 Order accepted at dealer: 11/11/2011 - PZSD7S 2000 Order accepted by GM: 12/14/2011 3000 Accepted By Production Control: 00/00/2011 - TPW 00/00/2011 3100 Sequenced: 00/00/2011 3300 Scheduled For Production:0/0/2012 3400 Broadcast: 0/0/2012 3800 Produced: 0/0/2012 4000 Available To Ship: 0/0/2012 4200 Shipped: 0/0/2012 5000 Delivered To The Dealer: 0/0/2012 6000 Delivered To Customer:0/0/2012 |
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11-01-2011, 06:32 AM | #2 |
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I’m for sure no expert on this but as I understand it nobody has actually placed an order with GM. These ‘order numbers’ are just placeholders in the system until the real order is placed with GM. As Becky said, 50 of these orders can be created right now but only the allotted number per dealer will actually go through to GM. The order numbers are real, but they haven’t been accepted by GM and won’t be until each dealer gets their allotment.
I’m pretty sure my dealer won’t even be putting my order in the ‘quick order’ system – they are just going to wait until their allocation comes up (so that all the details with ordering / options are ironed out) to enter anything. My options will be down on paper but not in the computer system. It doesn’t really concern me in the slightest that I don’t have an order number at this time. It doesn’t really matter from what I can gather. These numbers are the equivalent of a saved ‘shopping cart’ or ‘wish list’ on a website – doesn’t matter until you click ‘order’. I don’t know when the allocation cycles begin – when GM will actually start accepting orders, but that hasn’t actually happened yet to my knowledge. |
11-01-2011, 06:41 AM | #3 |
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The dealers have already been issued their allocations. They can as of last saturday place the order for those allocated cars and it is carved in stone. If the dealership can't give you an order number then I would check somewhere else.
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11-01-2011, 06:56 AM | #4 |
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Correct, they know how many they will be able to order. They can’t at this time place the order with GM. As Becky said above:
“The real factor is the allocation because any order created goes nowhere until it’s placed against the allocation. So a dealer can have 50 ZL1 orders, and an allocation of 3. Only 3 cars are going to get built” These order numbers people are listing represent the ’50 orders’ created… the real ordering takes place once each dealer gets their allocation. If your dealer is honest you shouldn’t have any issues, but at this time if you have an order number it doesn’t really matter either way – it is a personal preference of the dealer. You could have been the first person to get an order number on Saturday but your order might be the last accepted by GM – sometime in the future. |
11-01-2011, 07:04 AM | #5 |
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Ok... Obviously my post wasn't clear....
The dealer can input the orders in the system NOW. That has no bearing on when GM will pick them up. I'll use my dealer for example. The got 3 allocated 2012 ZL1 Camaros. Those 3 orders can all be put into Workbench TODAY. They will sit there, at event code 1100 untill the desler's concensus period comes up. It could be ANYTIME between mid November and end of the model run (June-ish) They could also enter a 4th order... and a 5th.... 6th.... Whatever. BUT unless they earn more, they would sit there indefinitely. Only a shady dealer would input more orders than they have allocation BUT it does happen! Dealers should start finding out their first concensus numbers soon... Maybe your dealer gets a first month concensus.... maybe they don't. They will only know one month at a time. All they know right now is how many total FOR 2012 model year build out. That help any? |
11-01-2011, 07:13 AM | #6 |
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These are the only allocations for 2012. They are only making 1500 for the year. They will not be able to earn anymore allocations except for the 2013 models which will include a convertable version.
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11-01-2011, 07:17 AM | #7 | |
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If you explain all of this to them and they still don't seem to be on the same page then I would worry. Just make sure there isn’t a communication barrier. |
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11-01-2011, 07:39 AM | #8 |
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Paul... where are you coming up with 1500? Is this IN PRINT FROM GM? If not, it's I don't believe anyone knows how many there will be. I asked my dealer, he asked during the Q&A with GM reps and their answer was... "let's just say there will be LESS ZL1s than there are Chevrolet dealers". To just say 1500 is misleading and unless you can source that info to GM, is speculation.
Ted... If your dealer will not input your order, something is fishy. They should have no issues putting it in and getting you a 6 digit number. Even if the don't have an allocation, they could still enter it. The system will not block them out if they don't have an allocation. I'm sensing something going on behind the scene they aren't telling you. |
11-01-2011, 07:59 AM | #9 |
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I thought workbench only allowed you to put in orders for what you were allocated?
Is this not true? |
11-01-2011, 08:10 AM | #10 |
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Not true. This wouldn't really be fair.
Take my 2009 order. I ordered and they didn't have an allocation. I was event code the day I walked out but they didn't get an allocation for me for 5 weeks. There is nothing except morals keeping them from over ordering. |
11-01-2011, 08:23 AM | #11 |
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I was the first to order at my dealership so im not really concerned but that is concerning knowing that the dealer can get only 2 allocations but tell "us" they have 4 and all 4 of us go down and place orders... 2 of us will not be happy campers. If that is the case then, do they go by what orders were placed first you think? or is it random?
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11-01-2011, 08:28 AM | #12 |
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First two ordered get cars... unless the dealer feels #3 is higher priority customer.
Dealers can be VERY VERY shady. When I ordered mine, I watched EVERYTHING he did. I know I was #12, I know what status the other 11 before me were at, I knew where they stood on allocations... all before I gave him a dime. My order went EXACTLY as he said it would. BUT there can be some real scum sucker desler's out there. If you got one... but say your number one and I go in and say hey dealer owner... I'll give you $20,000 over sticker for two ZL1s... what would he do??? The ethical dealer would say I'm sorry, they are sold. The scum would take the money, put them in as 1 and 2 and you'd be SOL. Hopefully none stoop to that level but it could and has happened! |
11-01-2011, 08:29 AM | #13 | |
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Below is what it says on the dealer gmlaunch.com. How many Camaro ZL1 models will be produced? Chevrolet will produce a number of ZL1 models less than the number of Chevrolet dealers (final production numbers will not be determined until the model year production run is completed in Summer of 2012). It is expected there will be high demand for this highly anticipated, high performing Camaro. An estimated production guide number was created to assist dealers in setting proper expectations. Your individual dealer’s estimated production guide number can be found on the home page of this Camaro website. How was the Estimated Production Guide Number developed for the Camaro ZL1? The Estimated Production Guide Number calculation is based upon 50% of all Chevrolet dealers' total retail sales and 50% of all Chevrolet dealers’ Camaro retail sales for the previous 12 months ending September 30, 2011. What if my Estimated Production Guide Number is zero? If your dealership’s guide number is zero (0), or you wish to submit orders over and above the dealership’s calculated guide number, you are welcome to do so; but processing priority will be given to orders for dealers with remaining, unfilled calculated guide numbers. Chevrolet does not guarantee placement of these orders for dealers. Furthermore, dealers should not accept sold orders from customers in excess of their Estimated Production Guide number.
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11-01-2011, 08:59 AM | #14 | |
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That is the same response I received from a source who has been completely accurate with every piece of information regarding the ZL1 that the source has provided to me. Therefore, all we really know at this time regarding 2012 ZL1 production is that there will likely be less than ~3,000 2012 ZL1 Coupes produced.
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