WHAT IF.....................................

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

OK OK OK (in my Joe Pesci voice), if they were to build a Z/28 would Schnomac77 be completely happy with the offering or somewhat dissappointed?
You may use a scale of 1-100 with 100 fulfilling his wildest Z/28 dream.

Ok, first even answering the question would imply that there IS a Z28, and there isn't...................yet. Ask Shnomac.

So you are almost as tricky as Shnomac. Did he pay you? He should have.......but FAIL.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, first even answering the question would imply that there IS a Z28, and there isn't...................yet. Ask Shnomac.

So you are almost as tricky as Shnomac. Did he pay you? He should have.......but FAIL.

LMAO

I had nothing to do with that.... I PROMISE! I have given up trying to assume what GM has in store. Im now going with the what Z/28??? GM has not announced there is a Z/28 frame of mind. Or atleast im trying...

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, first even answering the question would imply that there IS a Z28, and there isn't...................yet. Ask Shnomac.

So you are almost as tricky as Shnomac. Did he pay you? He should have.......but FAIL.

That's not very nice.

I don't know him other than discovering his post are right in line with my thoughts on the Z/28, and a desire to own one.
I consider him a peer in Z/28dom.

p.s. Check is supposedly in the mail.(but I kid)

[SSCamaroZ28]

It'd be nice to see a Z28 more like the original and a "ZL1" type car as SuperCamaro, but Z28 is really our traditional top model and I don't think there's anymore room for another production super car. We need a competitor to the other companies top cars, this is it!

[GaryTucker]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

What if the Z/28 is a road course/track oriented package with Z/28 badging, Z/28 specific aero, interior, suspension, wheels/tires, brakes, ect, but only a few HP tweaks to the 6.2?

Who would by this TRACK Camaro? And why.

Who would not? And why?

The same people would buy this car that would buy a z51 equipped Corvette or a NISMO 350z. Neither of these cars has any more HP per se...they are just more track oriented cars.

I think it might make perfect sense as it requires no new CAFE testing...only engineering work that has probably already been done.

I'd buy it even if it is "just" this type of package.

[MikesZ]

Originally Posted by GaryTucker

The same people would buy this car that would buy a z51 equipped Corvette or a NISMO 350z. Neither of these cars has any more HP per se...they are just more track oriented cars.

I think it might make perfect sense as it requires no new CAFE testing...only engineering work that has probably already been done.

I'd buy it even if it is "just" this type of package.

Yes, and Corvette enthusiasts rallied GM enough to where the Corvette Grand Sport came about...a no frills added-to-base package that primarily focuses on improved handling and only adds about 5K to price.

[SSmoked]

just came across a CRAZY idea. im sure u guys are all aware of the cobalt SS 2.0l turbo 4? well how bout if gm took 2 of these motots and smashed them together. each 2.0l produes 260hp/260tq on its own. 2 of them together would get u 500+hp/500+tq. now its up to gm to keep it a twin turbo or a single larger turbo. u would have a small light weight 4.0l D.I Turbo inline 8 producing 500+hp.
sounds like a plan to me.

[WYD OPN]

Originally Posted by SSmoked

just came across a CRAZY idea. im sure u guys are all aware of the cobalt SS 2.0l turbo 4? well how bout if gm took 2 of these motots and smashed them together. each 2.0l produes 260hp/260tq on its own. 2 of them together would get u 500+hp/500+tq. now its up to gm to keep it a twin turbo or a single larger turbo. u would have a small light weight 4.0l D.I Turbo inline 8 producing 500+hp.
sounds like a plan to me.

Easy, sir! Now... just step away from the crack pipe... it'll all be okay. These people in the white coats are your friends!

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by SSmoked

just came across a CRAZY idea. im sure u guys are all aware of the cobalt SS 2.0l turbo 4? well how bout if gm took 2 of these motots and smashed them together. each 2.0l produes 260hp/260tq on its own. 2 of them together would get u 500+hp/500+tq. now its up to gm to keep it a twin turbo or a single larger turbo. u would have a small light weight 4.0l D.I Turbo inline 8 producing 500+hp.
sounds like a plan to me.

Well the only thing wrong with your plan is the "inline" 8. That engine would make the Camaro about a foot longer.

Now apply it to a 4.0L V8 and you are talking. But it wouldn't be quite as light as you think. 2 Turbo chargers and an intercooler weigh quite a bit.

A 4.0L V8 itself would be pretty compact, providing you weren't protecting for a bigger engine. Keep in mind, you can get a small block in 4.7L displacment. And that is the same basic size as the 7.0L LS7 in the Z06.

But to compare, the XLR-V was a 4.4L Supercharged Motor that made "only" 443 HP. So work your way down from there and you would get 10% less so a 4.0L version of the Supercharged Northstar would be simply 400 HP, or just an L99. Take the SIDI bump in the LLT from 260 to the 304 in the Camaro and CTS (17%) and you are right back to 468.

Keep in mind it is hard to simply multiply a 2.0 to 4.0 direclty. You can't spin the 4.0 as fast. Heavier crank etc. For that matter you could take the 175 HP in the liter class superbikes and get 600 HP naturally aspirated, which simply doesn't work.

Or to take another examle from *EDIT* an OEM headquartered in Dearborn Michigan, the Diret Injected Turbo 3.5L makes 355. Bump that to 4.0 and you get 405 HP.

So I don't poo poo any suggestion for turbos or super chargers, but a 4.0L SIDI TT gets you not much more than an LS3, maybe 30 or 40 more HP at a much higher price with mass parity. So arguably you would pick up a wee bit in FE, but that's about it. And best case you would be looking at 450 to 460 HP.

Give me the LS3 in that case, thank you very much.

So would you pay more for a turboed small displacement engine that only gave you 30 or 40 more HP? or would pay a little more still for a 6.2L Supercharged engine with 130 or 140 more?

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Or to take another examle from Ford, the Diret Injected Turbo 3.5L makes 355. Bump that to 4.0 and you get 405 HP.

I was waiting for a in depth answer from you on this one...... as usual you came through with a nice technical explanation.

However I am reporting you for saying the F word.......

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

I was waiting for a in depth answer from you on this one...... as usual you came through with a nice technical explanation.

However I am reporting you for saying the F word.......

Ooooooops.