08-29-2011, 11:20 PM | #1 |
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Dad shows me a paper on sunday, I fall into a deep depression...
My family knows nothing about me buying a ZL1 at the first of the Year.
My dad however knows I love anything that is fast. So what does he do? He shows me on one of the back pages of the local newspaper a bright red convertible Shelby 350..... 624 HP...... My heart sank... I knew that more than likely GM will have dropped the ball on this one again. Will Chevy or has Chevy ever in its history released a CAMARO prior to Mustangs release with MORE horsepower? If it has it has been few and far between. Just glancing back I do not recall anything that stands out in particular. I am not here to bash Ford. It just really bugs the shit out of me that true loyal Chevy Camaro fans always get less then the mustang... Either the price is higher on the Camaro, or the mustang stomps the Camaros ass... just saying.. I am afraid that history has repeated itself again.... Heck, not only do we have to worry about Shelby SS sneakin up on us but now the GTS and now the Shelby 350..... I have not even looked at the BOSS 302 yet.. I'm not tossing in the towel. I will still order a ZL1 as I cannot afford the Shelby 350 price tag at 70k i think this particular one was... BUT... I COULD order a v8 Mustang GTS with 5.0 liter and SUPERCHARGER for about 51k or 52k. Would I be a traitor and buy the Mustang over the ZL1? Plans at the moment No. I would not do that...but the temptation will always be there.
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08-29-2011, 11:23 PM | #2 |
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I seen a thread awile back bought the dyno of the ZL1.
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08-29-2011, 11:25 PM | #3 |
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The ZL1 stock is not going to push 600 HP...
Id hoped to get proved to be a liar on this one....
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08-30-2011, 12:14 AM | #4 |
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All the Shelby cars, with the exception of the GT500, are aftermarket jobs. There are plenty of shops that will do the same sort of thing to the Camaro. Lingenfelter, SLP, and Hennessy are the first three that come to mind.
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08-30-2011, 12:31 AM | #5 | |
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And what are you wanting… a low dollar factory car super car? If so, the ZL1 will do the job pretty well, heck the SS does it great... If you want an original type car with the power to back it up, your pocketbook is the limit. You can take pretty much any car and make it a street or strip killer, including the soon to be released ZL1. There needs to be a compromise when you shoot for under 60k. I too wish to live in the magical world of $1 per horsepower, but alas it doesn’t exist. As you have heard before “need to pay to play” But remember there will always…always be a car faster than you. Just ask that Super Snake or Camaro SS that passed you with another 30k in mods. |
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08-30-2011, 12:45 AM | #6 |
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Sounds like your more worried about having more HP than the guy next to you rather than buying what YOU want to own.
Besides as stated, those cars you mentioned are not production cars. They are factory GT's sent to shelby for aftermarket parts. You can do the same thing with an SS either through SLP or doing it yourself. If you like the mustang more. Buy that. Personally I think the ZL1 has a ton more going for it than a GT500 but I can't afford either so..... |
08-30-2011, 07:05 AM | #7 | |
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With these cars aftermarket you have to look at the whole package. I've driven a Shelby Super Snake with the 750 HP package - my dad has one. 750 HP – that should be awesome and beat everything!! Actually, the first few gears - well you are just worried about smoking the tires. In my opinion this is unusable HP and the car seems unbalanced. I don't want to have to worry about crashing all the time when I get on the gas driving around town. Plus the car is much more expensive than the ZL1 will be. You can add many thousands on top of the MSRP to get these numbers from an aftermarket builder. I don't think a lot of these aftermarket people can track test to the extent GM does, so I'd bet on GM any day from that aspect. I think the ZL1 will be a totally balanced package and I hope it out handles the Boss and I’m sure it would be better to drive than the Super Snake on a track – heck it might even beat the Super Snake in a straight line as you can’t use the HP until 3rd gear anyway. Anyone can just add HP, some wheels, and some springs – it takes a lot more work to make that HP work for its intended purpose. |
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08-30-2011, 07:23 AM | #9 |
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Me personally.... I think those are all nice cars... but they don't live up to their expectations performance wise or for the money they cost. I think the ZL1 will do all that and will be affordable.... its my opinion, but stick with your original plan and don't worry about those other cars... they'll prove themselves on the track soon.
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08-30-2011, 07:52 AM | #11 |
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I don't think there was a time where the Camaro was introduced with less HP than Mustang (of that current level)... EVER! Depending on the driver, a Boss 302 will not beat a 2011+ GT500. Shelby GTS is the Shelby GT failed project using the current GT GT350 is a upgraded and updated version of the Shelby GT failed project using the current GT and adding a ton of Shelby signatures and a bit more cosmetics with ties to the original... (can discuss further if you like) 2012 ZL-1 > 2012 GT500 | 2013 ZL-1 ? 2013 GT500 (wait and see if the twin turbo reaches production) 2012 ZL-1 > 2012 Boss 302 | 2013 ZL-1 > 2013 Boss 302 (with equal drivers regardless of road course or strip) 2013 Z-28 > 2013 Boss 302 2011 ZL454 > 2011 GT350 N/A | 2011 ZL585 > 2011 GT350 Supercharged 2011 ZL-1 (SLP) > 2011 Super Snake
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08-30-2011, 07:57 AM | #12 | |
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OK, back to your regularly scheduled program.
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08-30-2011, 08:06 AM | #13 |
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Depending on the driver, a Boss 302 will not beat a 2011+ GT500. QUOTE] Maybe - but barely. http://www.insideline.com/ford/mustang/2011/2011-ford-mustang-track-shoot-out.html If anything, it proves that HP isn't always king given the package - one of the main arguments here. What does the extra 106 HP do for the GT500? Not much. If I were buying a Mustang it would be the Boss 302 Laguna Seca, but that’s me. I’m sure the ZL1 will beat them both. |
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