2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Assuming these runs were made Aug 6th (7th slicks only night), the DA was 1003, 62 degree, 30.07 in, 80%. Sunset is 8:04 so I'd guess this was done between 9 an 10pm

I did say the track prep normally is pretty good. Then others chimed in that have raced there as well and voiced there opinion that it wasnt so good. Then I began comparing it to Rt66 in Joliet which is super sticky and when comparing 66 to GLD, it makes GLD inferior

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...something Mopar is hamstrung to produce, Viper excepted...and we see how the market is reacting to that one...



That is NOT the "business case" for the ZL1...is it? Or the ZL1 wouldn't have it's development dollars spent on attributes like MRC, a not-so-inexpensive feature the other domestics cannot match.

The ZL1 was developed as a full-usage GT-style coupe, NOT as a store-bought Pro Street freak. And, when targeting a sub-$60K price point, only so much can be included. NO LS9. NO "unique LSA+++". When the engineering was locked down, in '10, 580 hp was about 100 more than anything Mopar had on the horizon, and almost 10% more than Ford was then offering.

Hope you mean the 12 ZL1 bc there was no 10 ZL1.

Also not quite 10% more than the GT500's hp, its more like 5.5% ( and if you did mean 201o, then its a little more than 7%) than the 2012 GT500 which was rated at 550 HP and was the benchmark that the ZL1 was going to be better than.

[LOWDOWN]

[posted 8/14, page 74]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

What, NHRA has a special compound exclusively theirs, that VHT doesn't sell to others?! Or, maybe a super-secret stick-em sauce they ONLY sell to MOPAR?!

You DID see the photos taken @ the Mopar press event @ PIR, didn't you? CONCRETE launch pad covered in a BLACK substance from side-to-side per lane?

1) Was that BLACK substance VHT, or Aunt Jemima Molasses?

2) NO cameras trained on the finish line scoreboards...NONE!

3) NO 6-speed times...from ANYONE ANYWHERE...

Hellcats, with BOTH transmissions, are currently in the hands of a widespread band of "automotive writers" for various and sundry media outlets (and have been since PIR), yet NO ONE has posted another 11.40-something slip...or an 11.50-something slip...and CERTAINLY NOT an 11.20-something slip...NONE!

How do YOU spell "HEAP OF HYPE"? Or is it HEEP OF HIPE? Or...

...and your reply...to my underlined statement that STILL STANDS AS TRUE:

Originally Posted by shaffe

No I am telling you from experience having actually raced at both tracks, on test n tune nights that both the track prep and the launch pad at Route 66 raceway in Joliet is far superior to Great Lakes Dragaway. The track surface is superior.

...which means, shaffe, you're trolling again, along with a legion of others. If you're gonna call someone OUT, at least read your OWN POSTS FIRST.

You're shaping up to be a key Hellcat customer...

Originally Posted by shaffe

so lowdown any reason you havent responded to the video yet? the one you said wasnt there of the 11.40 run? or the few people that have told you that great lakes dragway is not the greatest place for traction?

...that you've since answered, yourself...

It's not exactly like I-75 in downtown Detroit, is it?

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Hope you mean the 12 ZL1 bc there was no 10 ZL1.

The "business case" for the ZL1 was completed in 2010...as stated, about 18 months after Gen-5 Camaro production commenced...and was announced in early-'11, (when GT500 announced IT's SURPRIZE for MY '13!). Right? Production early-'12, as a MY 2012. Right? Still with us?

You obviously put the wrong em-PHAS-is on the wrong syl-AB-les...

But thanks for playing...not everyone goes home with a door prize...but since you're a fairly bright boy, under intense illumination, we'll send you home with this:

[shaffe]

Tip the cap to you sir well played

[MEDISIN]

MotorTrend ZL1 vs Hellcat Review

Great photos! Pretty much what you would expect. Hellcat in a straight-line, ZL1 everywhere else.

"While the Camaro behaves like a sports car, the Challenger pretends to be nothing else than a straight-line dragster, and when you toss a corner its way it can be a handful."

A little disappointed they brought a manual ZL1 vs the Autocat. Still no times for the Mancat.

0-60: ZL1 3.9; Autocat 3.7
1/4 Mile: ZL1 12.2 sec @ 116.6 mph; Autocat 11.7 sec @ 125.4 mph
Braking 60-0 MPH: ZL1 100 ft; Autocat 109 ft
Lateral Acceleration: ZL1 0.99 g (avg); Autocat 0.94 g (avg)
MT Fig 8: ZL1 24.0 sec @ 0.85 g (avg); Autocat 24.7 sec @ 0.85 g (avg)

Price as Tested: ZL1 $59,045; Autocat $64,670

[shaffe]

I don;t know why but mancat made me chuckle hahah

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

MotorTrend ZL1 vs Hellcat Review

Great photos! Pretty much what you would expect. Hellcat in a straight-line, ZL1 everywhere else.

"While the Camaro behaves like a sports car, the Challenger pretends to be nothing else than a straight-line dragster, and when you toss a corner its way it can be a handful."

A little disappointed they brought a manual ZL1 vs the Autocat. Still no times for the Mancat.

0-60: ZL1 3.9; Autocat 3.7
1/4 Mile: ZL1 12.2 sec @ 116.6 mph; Autocat 11.7 sec @ 125.4 mph
Braking 60-0 MPH: ZL1 100 ft; Autocat 109 ft
Lateral Acceleration: ZL1 0.99 g (avg); Autocat 0.94 g (avg)
MT Fig 8: ZL1 24.0 sec @ 0.85 g (avg); Autocat 24.7 sec @ 0.85 g (avg)

Price as Tested: ZL1 $59,045; Autocat $64,670

I'm impressed by the ZL1's 1/4 mile time of 12.2 @ 116, it compares to the the 2012 Boss 302 which carries 136 less hp, and 170 lbs less torque, which Motor Trend tested 12.3 @ 115.8 also a track ready car. If we are going to base all of our assumptions on Motor Trend testing the ZL1 seems to come up short.

How is a 580-hp car only achieving 116-mph something doesn't add up.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

MotorTrend ZL1 vs Hellcat Review

Lateral Acceleration: ZL1 0.99 g (avg); Autocat 0.94 g (avg)
MT Fig 8: ZL1 24.0 sec @ 0.85 g (avg); Autocat 24.7 sec @ 0.85 g (avg)

Motor Trend, in the Hellcat's first ride, showed the same 24.7 sec. Figure 8 time as 0.80 g.

You can't run the same g-force when the two times are that far apart.

MT "typo".

If the Hellcat runs 24.7 (reported twice), then its average should read 0.80g.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm impressed by the ZL1's 1/4 mile time of 12.2 @ 116, it compares to the the 2012 Boss 302 which carries 136 less hp, and 170 lbs less torque, which Motor Trend tested 12.3 @ 115.8 also a track ready car.

How is a 580-hp car only achieving 116-mph something doesn't add up.

Different car, different driver, different day. The manual ZL1 was just as disappointing in this review as the auto hellcat. Conditions may have been better for the Boss.

Unless you really just wanted to hear, "ZL1s suck, mustangs rule all". There you go, now move on...

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

How is a 580-hp car only achieving 116-mph something doesn't add up.

Power-to-weight is your answer, for the e.t. AND the speed.

Otherwise, how would a 662 hp GT500 run mid-120s, and a 707 Hellcat runs the SAME sort of mph?

As for the BOSS, maybe it had a "special Track Key". Or a side trip through AEW. For an 8.15 lb/hp car (ZL1 - 7.12, GT500 - 5.82, Hellcat - 6.30), it ran pretty strong times. Underrated?? Or massaged??

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Motor Trend, in the Hellcat's first ride, showed the same 24.7 sec. Figure 8 time as 0.80 g.

You can't run the same g-force when the two times are that far apart.

MT "typo".

If the Hellcat runs 24.7 (reported twice), then its average should read 0.80g.

That's one of the reasons I stopped reading MT. One of the big recurring trends I have noticed is stuff like Joe pointed out.

[newmoon]

And for all those curious about the dyno numbers. Pretty much an as! kicking. Note it's an auto Hellcat, manual numbers should be higher.

http://blogs.motortrend.com/1408_dyn...e_rollers.html

[rocket403]

From the MT article

"the 2015 Challenger SRT Hellcat is really quite the complete package. It sports one of the best interiors in the segment with high-quality materials, a great infotainment system, an even better audio system, room for five, and a stunningly low starting price of just $60,995, with an as-tested price of $64,570. The Camaro ZL1 feels somewhat less special than the Challenger inside. Sure, it's got Alcantara just about everywhere, and snug bucket seats, but you can tell Chevy's focus was elsewhere. The Challenger gets all the little details that make a musclecar special right (like the Dodge Brothers logo hidden in the center console), whereas the Camaro doesn't really have a cohesive interior design, with things such as its navigation system tacked on like an afterthought."