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ayousef · 10-21-2013, 05:03 PM

Ill say it again ur best bet is a whipple 2.9

the 1le we just built made 840rwhp with 13psi on a 416 on 93 and meth in hot weather. The car here in dubai males 1.5 more psi due to elevation change so its above 850rwhp here right now.

Truck Norris · 10-21-2013, 05:45 PM

I'd go 3.6 KB as I don't think you're gonna be happy with a 2.3L TVS in the long run. Get something that you can grow into and is not gonna hold you back like your 1.9L was. 2.8L KB's have also become run of the mill and not very exciting at least from what I see when on top of a ford engine.

There is a stockish Boss on SVTP that runs 9.7's at 148+ and 202mph+ in the mile with just a 3.6L KB as a power adder and 2.73 rear gear, just imagine what it could do with your 6.2L.

Go big or go home.

jessrayo · 10-21-2013, 05:49 PM

I'm on the 2.3 but didn't get as much gain as I expected. I'm still wondering if it was worth the expense. After I swapped on the 2.3 I realized that all of the hoop-lah about how efficient the 1.9 was must be true. It seems that it takes about 30 more horses to spin the 2.3 so you loose half of the boost gain. It does stay cooler but that is not nearly as big a deal on 10 second 1/4 mile bursts as it is on 30 minute road race sessions. The 2.3 didn't gain me much power but it did drastically lower the intake temps under sustained loads of road racing.

If I was going to do a dedicated drag racing car I would try the Kenne Bell 3.6 and see if I could get it to fit under the COPO hood. That blower will run over 20 pounds of boost and if you are only on it for short periods I think it would hold up. Maybe the whipple 2.9 is the best choice but those numbers are not much better than what I'm making either... KB says 1000whp on their 3.6. Plus barron seems to be more than willing to get into it himself if something goes wrong....

white ZL1 · 10-21-2013, 06:18 PM

I'd go twins....
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319278

islander033 · 10-21-2013, 06:18 PM

I vote for the 3.6KB. It will soon come in black or polished.

That'll be my next blower since the 3.3TVS probably won't be made now.

TripleBlkZL1 · 10-21-2013, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white 2SS/RS

I'd go twins....
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319278

I agree

jessrayo · 10-22-2013, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white 2SS/RS

I'd go twins....
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319278

I know there is more to life than the dyno but my 417 on the 2.3 blower beat those twin turbo dyno results on 91 octane. Maybe it was my extra displacement....maybe the turbos are not any better than a blower.... idk. I think Barron's 1/4 mile times are better than any of the street legal turbo cars I have seen. I think you would totally crush them with the big Kenne Bell. Just my 2 cents.

white ZL1 · 10-22-2013, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jessrayo

I know there is more to life than the dyno but my 417 on the 2.3 blower beat those twin turbo dyno results on 91 octane. Maybe it was my extra displacement....maybe the turbos are not any better than a blower.... idk. I think Barron's 1/4 mile times are better than any of the street legal turbo cars I have seen. I think you would totally crush them with the big Kenne Bell. Just my 2 cents.

I just love turbo cars.

Twins on pump gas and meth would be fun.

mylftft · 10-22-2013, 09:46 PM

I've always had nitrous & blower cars, I love them both, they each have places they outshine the other. I've always wanted a twin turbo car, I hope it lives up to the hype I've always heard about & the hype in my head. Couple more days & I'll let you guys know.

white ZL1 · 10-22-2013, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mylftft

I've always had nitrous & blower cars, I love them both, they each have places they outshine the other. I've always wanted a twin turbo car, I hope it lives up to the hype I've always heard about & the hype in my head. Couple more days & I'll let you guys know.

I've got this funny feeling I know what you're not telling us....

newmoon · 10-23-2013, 07:08 AM

Whipple 2.9, and some lightweight wheels!

Meister@Torq · 10-23-2013, 08:18 AM

The Whipple is and has proven itself to be the best S/C on the market when comparing it to something of similar size in terms of making power, heat and efficency. KB does make a much larger unit, which would be required for a HUGE power car but they make a ton of heat and are not packaged as nice.

We have tested the 2.3L .vs. 1.9 LSA unit and there is nothing to be impressed about. I will have to find the compressor maps and its quite shocking how inefficient the 2.3L becomes at higher boost levels.

If you want stick around the 800RWHP mark you will be fine with the Whipple....anything more would require a KB, Centri, or turbo(s)

The Baron · 10-23-2013, 02:14 PM

What exactly are the problems guys have had with KBs?

I am going to be using the heat exchanger and ice chest in the trunk. I cant wee heat being a issue.

1967rsss · 10-23-2013, 09:33 PM

It's funny to find this thread now. I'm in the process of deciding which to choose or just stay stock.

From what I've been finding out is the Wipple is great but doesn't make a kit for the ZL. I for one, don't want to use the main belt to also drive the blower and have all sorts of problems converting it over.

KB has the LC case 2.8L which is supposed to fit without problems and the 3.6L which may have hood clearance issues at the front of the hood with the upper pulley. The price difference between them is minimal. The bigger question is the lag of a larger SC.

As said before, there is a lot of mustang guys using both sizes and brands. I have heard of some problems, but lets face it, we always see problems here and there with any part when its pushed hard.

10-21-2013, 05:03 PM	#15
ayousef Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dubai Posts: 757	Ill say it again ur best bet is a whipple 2.9 the 1le we just built made 840rwhp with 13psi on a 416 on 93 and meth in hot weather. The car here in dubai males 1.5 more psi due to elevation change so its above 850rwhp here right now. __________________ 1150bhp Whipple 4.0 Supercharged 427ci Camaro ZL1

10-21-2013, 05:45 PM	#16
Truck Norris Thread Mover Drives: a Monte Carlo Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sierra Nevada Posts: 490	I'd go 3.6 KB as I don't think you're gonna be happy with a 2.3L TVS in the long run. Get something that you can grow into and is not gonna hold you back like your 1.9L was. 2.8L KB's have also become run of the mill and not very exciting at least from what I see when on top of a ford engine. There is a stockish Boss on SVTP that runs 9.7's at 148+ and 202mph+ in the mile with just a 3.6L KB as a power adder and 2.73 rear gear, just imagine what it could do with your 6.2L. Go big or go home. __________________ In the market for something fast Last edited by Truck Norris; 10-21-2013 at 06:01 PM.

10-21-2013, 05:49 PM	#17
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	I'm on the 2.3 but didn't get as much gain as I expected. I'm still wondering if it was worth the expense. After I swapped on the 2.3 I realized that all of the hoop-lah about how efficient the 1.9 was must be true. It seems that it takes about 30 more horses to spin the 2.3 so you loose half of the boost gain. It does stay cooler but that is not nearly as big a deal on 10 second 1/4 mile bursts as it is on 30 minute road race sessions. The 2.3 didn't gain me much power but it did drastically lower the intake temps under sustained loads of road racing. If I was going to do a dedicated drag racing car I would try the Kenne Bell 3.6 and see if I could get it to fit under the COPO hood. That blower will run over 20 pounds of boost and if you are only on it for short periods I think it would hold up. Maybe the whipple 2.9 is the best choice but those numbers are not much better than what I'm making either... KB says 1000whp on their 3.6. Plus barron seems to be more than willing to get into it himself if something goes wrong.... __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

10-21-2013, 06:18 PM	#19
islander033 SLOBRA1 Drives: GT500/Cruze/DMax/Cobra Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Alberta Posts: 595	I vote for the 3.6KB. It will soon come in black or polished. That'll be my next blower since the 3.3TVS probably won't be made now. __________________ 2010 GT500 Best ET=10.10 - Best Trap=143.59mph 2003 Turbo Cobra Best ET=8.27 - Best Trap=166.42mph

10-22-2013, 09:46 PM	#23
mylftft Drives: 2013 TT ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: NorCal Posts: 849	I've always had nitrous & blower cars, I love them both, they each have places they outshine the other. I've always wanted a twin turbo car, I hope it lives up to the hype I've always heard about & the hype in my head. Couple more days & I'll let you guys know. __________________

10-21-2013, 06:18 PM	#18
white ZL1 Drives: none Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: DFW area Posts: 1,844	I'd go twins.... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319278

10-23-2013, 07:08 AM	#25
newmoon Drives: 2019 GT350 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NC Posts: 3,232	Whipple 2.9, and some lightweight wheels! __________________ 2019 GT350 RR 2013 Boss Mustang 2012 SRT Challenger 392 auto 12:40s 112 stock 2012 Ford Mustang 5.0. Brembo, 3:73s 2010 SS, LS3, Cammed, LTs, 12:20s 2004 Redfire Cobra, Pullied & Tuned 1986 GT, Ed Curtis 347ci, 11:20s motor. 10:30s 100-hp shot

10-23-2013, 08:18 AM	#26
Meister@Torq Drives: 2001 Crown Vic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 974	The Whipple is and has proven itself to be the best S/C on the market when comparing it to something of similar size in terms of making power, heat and efficency. KB does make a much larger unit, which would be required for a HUGE power car but they make a ton of heat and are not packaged as nice. We have tested the 2.3L .vs. 1.9 LSA unit and there is nothing to be impressed about. I will have to find the compressor maps and its quite shocking how inefficient the 2.3L becomes at higher boost levels. If you want stick around the 800RWHP mark you will be fine with the Whipple....anything more would require a KB, Centri, or turbo(s)

10-23-2013, 02:14 PM	#27
The Baron Drives: 2013 zl1 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: st louis Posts: 838	What exactly are the problems guys have had with KBs? I am going to be using the heat exchanger and ice chest in the trunk. I cant wee heat being a issue. __________________ 2011 cts-v coupe (pinky) wifes car.. ls9 cam c.a.i. 11.44 2007 corvette vert ..retired.. 2013 zl1 stock blower stock ci 20" wheels 10.36 135...so far..

10-23-2013, 09:33 PM	#28
1967rsss Drives: 67, 68, 88, 98, 10, 12 ZL1 Camaros Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 103	It's funny to find this thread now. I'm in the process of deciding which to choose or just stay stock. From what I've been finding out is the Wipple is great but doesn't make a kit for the ZL. I for one, don't want to use the main belt to also drive the blower and have all sorts of problems converting it over. KB has the LC case 2.8L which is supposed to fit without problems and the 3.6L which may have hood clearance issues at the front of the hood with the upper pulley. The price difference between them is minimal. The bigger question is the lag of a larger SC. As said before, there is a lot of mustang guys using both sizes and brands. I have heard of some problems, but lets face it, we always see problems here and there with any part when its pushed hard.