The proper use of the 3rd generation magnetic ride control system

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

In a heart beat. Heck I'm hoping for a bolt on IRS offering...

http://www.mustangirs.com/products.php

[FxsX24]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Are you now talking about an SS?

he has a SS with race brakes, i am comparing to the stock ZL1 brakes

[69NMYSS]

Originally Posted by FxsX24

source is member Bob196 (who does not post), he took his car to watkins glen for a HPDE event (was his 3rd event, moved up to middle class) and was limited my the stopping distance of the car.
he could wait 150 feet more with the SS and a set of racing brakes (less speed into the corner with the ss also) for many corners.

they are good if you are a beginner , but when you are pushing the car, they are the detractor on the car in stock form

the stock brakes may be better with vs the stock SS brakes, but no comparison to a performance brake

No offense to your buddy, he sounds like an expert with three track days under his belt. I for one will take the pros/mags review of the ZL1 braking system as my proof that the brakes can handle the abuse of track days and pushing to the limits.

[Norm Peterson]

As good as the ZL1 street pads are, they still aren't race pads. Street pads need to be formulated such that they have good bite when cold, and this comes at the expense of high temperature behavior/performance. Even performance street pads give up a little at the cool end, and are rarely fitted as OE because of this.

And as big as the rotors get, they can and will heat up to somewhere above where street pads are still fully effective if you beat on them hard enough.

Perhaps the ZL1 brakes won't lose much on a circuit that isn't particularly hard on brakes, or with a driver who isn't using them 100% hard all of the time. But that doesn't guarantee that they'll behave that nicely on a brake-intensive track with a late-braking driver.

Please respect the concept that you just might be able to ask more from them out on the track than they can give. The alternative is somewhat less pleasant than discussing it ahead of time.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

How'd we drift this far from the original topic?

So I'll ask an "on-topic" question - are there any efforts going on that would enable the individual car owner to tweak the MRC tuning as a means of tuning the transient handling behavior? Or is there no choice but to accept Chevy's tuning?


Norm

[LOWDOWN]

Check with PEDDERS...Pete is about as up-to-date as anyone in the aftermarket with regard to what can/cannot be done to enhance MRC-3.

Shoot him a pm @ "Justice Pete", here.

[obzidian]

These mustang/5.0 guys remind me of liberal left. So delusional that they start to believe their own BS. lol

The ZL1 and the GT500 are fantastic cars. Anyone here would have fun in either car. The ZL1 is tailored to go against the older gt500 while the 2013 is clearly not built to go against the ZL1.

[FxsX24]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

No offense to your buddy, he sounds like an expert with three track days under his belt. I for one will take the pros/mags review of the ZL1 braking system as my proof that the brakes can handle the abuse of track days and pushing to the limits.

as said below, the Zl1 brakes may be a step above the SS brakes, but they can be pushed to far. and in this case they are holding the car back on the track

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by obzidian

These mustang/5.0 guys remind me of liberal left. So delusional that they start to believe their own BS. lol

I think you have to take this thread within its own context, separate from any Mustang fanboy fanaticism that you may have imagined was in the topic start.

Ride quality is tied to the ratio of sprung mass (the chassis, body, everything in it, including about half of the suspension and half of the half-shafts) to unsprung (wheels, tires, brakes, and the rest of the suspension and half-shafts). The higher this ratio gets, the better the ride can potentially be made.

Where's this going? Well, at over 4000# and with IRS the ZL1 Camaro is already in a pretty good position, and certainly is ahead in this regard with respect to its main competitor. Fender's point (the way I see it, anyway) is that the MRC should be even more valuable at some lower weight point - where the ratio of sprung to unsprung would not be as good. IOW, it would present the MRC technology in an even better light. What's not to like about that?


Norm

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

How'd we drift this far from the original topic?

So I'll ask an "on-topic" question - are there any efforts going on that would enable the individual car owner to tweak the MRC tuning as a means of tuning the transient handling behavior? Or is there no choice but to accept Chevy's tuning?


Norm

Norm,

I’m no expert but I believe the MRC controller is locked for owner and aftermarket. It would definitely be cool to either be able to tweak the factory settings with predetermined adjustments or enter a calibration of your own (as complex as this would be). Same for PTM modes, etc.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

Norm,

I’m no expert but I believe the MRC controller is locked for owner and aftermarket. It would definitely be cool to either be able to tweak the factory settings with predetermined adjustments or enter a calibration of your own (as complex as this would be). Same for PTM modes, etc.

They are currently locked down as tight as the ABS modules.

[Norm Peterson]

Was afraid of that. Not particularly surprised, though.


Norm

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

I think you have to take this thread within its own context, separate from any Mustang fanboy fanaticism that you may have imagined was in the topic start.

Ride quality is tied to the ratio of sprung mass (the chassis, body, everything in it, including about half of the suspension and half of the half-shafts) to unsprung (wheels, tires, brakes, and the rest of the suspension and half-shafts). The higher this ratio gets, the better the ride can potentially be made.

Where's this going? Well, at over 4000# and with IRS the ZL1 Camaro is already in a pretty good position, and certainly is ahead in this regard with respect to its main competitor. Fender's point (the way I see it, anyway) is that the MRC should be even more valuable at some lower weight point - where the ratio of sprung to unsprung would not be as good. IOW, it would present the MRC technology in an even better light. What's not to like about that?


Norm

Thank you Norm. I appreciate someone reading my post for what it was rather than noting I currently have a Mustang and making assumptions from that.