5th gen vs 4th gen

[Stew]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Third gen tpi motors hit 14s pretty easy.

Agreed, one of the last tmes I had my GTP at the track there was a 92 L98 Z28 with just cold air and drag radials running the same as me, high 13s/low 14s. We lined up once and he would get me off the line and I would be basically even by the end of the 1/4 mile. Also the 305 TPIs with the manual transmission were basically as quick as the L98s

[Black5thgen]

The reason why people think LS1 SS' are faster than 5th gen SS' is because the 5th gens weren't broken in when people put them up against 4th gen when they first came out. As with an LS engine the LS3 needs about 2500 miles to wake up. The 5th gen will easily walk a 4th gen LS1 either stock for stock or mod for mod. I ran a 12.7 with nothing more than a tune and CAI, show me a 4th gen that will do that and trap over 110 mph. For reference my nephew went to the same track the same day with my in his 99 Z28 with free mods, MTI lid, Ported TB and cat-back and was running 13.2's all day. He also had better 60's. That being said a V6 5th gen can't touch an LS1, but an LT1 might be a different story. If it has hard miles and isn't modded correctly the V6 may edge it out.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

The reason why people think LS1 SS' are faster than 5th gen SS' is because the 5th gens weren't broken in when people put them up against 4th gen when they first came out. As with an LS engine the LS3 needs about 2500 miles to wake up. The 5th gen will easily walk a 4th gen LS1 either stock for stock or mod for mod. I ran a 12.7 with nothing more than a tune and CAI, show me a 4th gen that will do that and trap over 110 mph. For reference my nephew went to the same track the same day with my in his 99 Z28 with free mods, MTI lid, Ported TB and cat-back and was running 13.2's all day. He also had better 60's. That being said a V6 5th gen can't touch an LS1, but an LT1 might be a different story. If it has hard miles and isn't modded correctly the V6 may edge it out.

how bout severely abusive miles?

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

how bout severely abusive miles?

It's a crap shoot, I bought a 96 Z28 with 130,000 that ran like a raped ape. Before that I had a 96 T/A with 96,000 miles that ran like crap. It all comes down to maintenance of the previous owners.

[azvren]

Originally Posted by sweaver

If you noticed I own both cars, '10 camaro ss and 98 WS6, So you are saying I know how to drive my T/A, But not my ss?
BTW My ss is running 11 flat now!

When I said "here" I meant in west texas, not here on the forum oh god no. Theres people on here That I wont even touch if we both ran with the exact same car due to the fact that they are better drivers.
How many miles did your 2010 have at the time when you raced your WS6?
Theres also is the possibility that you did not know the ins and outs of your ss as well as you did your WS6. I guess I am saying you dont know how drive your ss idk. There are a lot of factors to consider but I personally think that if you ran an LS3 and an LS1 that were both stock and broken in with the exact same driver that the LS3 would win hands down.

[sweaver]

Originally Posted by azvren

When I said "here" I meant in west texas, not here on the forum oh god no. Theres people on here That I wont even touch if we both ran with the exact same car due to the fact that they are better drivers.
How many miles did your 2010 have at the time when you raced your WS6?
Theres also is the possibility that you did not know the ins and outs of your ss as well as you did your WS6. I guess I am saying you dont know how drive your ss idk. There are a lot of factors to consider but I personally think that if you ran an LS3 and an LS1 that were both stock and broken in with the exact same driver that the LS3 would win hands down.

I think your right on the money with the the fact my camaro ss had not been broke in, Thats an excellent point had it been broke in, It would been a different story, I agree 100%, when I ran them the Camaro had less than 100 miles...

[sweaver]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

what do you have done to the SS?

There is a video on the homepage of my car, Title says Livernois nearly breaks tens, I don't have time to find it right now,
As far as mods, TVS 2300, cam,cnc ported heads,Ported lower manifold,Kooks headers with corsa catback, Roto Fab,smaller pulley with fuel upgrades, Getting ready for 418 stroker!

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

It's a crap shoot, I bought a 96 Z28 with 130,000 that ran like a raped ape. Before that I had a 96 T/A with 96,000 miles that ran like crap. It all comes down to maintenance of the previous owners.

Mines got 185k on it and she runs like a scalded dog raping an ape.

she had some crap mx done to her in the past, but still runs strong.

Originally Posted by azvren

Theres also is the possibility that you did not know the ins and outs of your ss as well as you did your WS6. I guess I am saying you dont know how drive your ss idk. There are a lot of factors to consider but I personally think that if you ran an LS3 and an LS1 that were both stock and broken in with the exact same driver that the LS3 would win hands down.

I dont think it would be a hands down race.

Originally Posted by sweaver

I think your right on the money with the the fact my camaro ss had not been broke in, Thats an excellent point had it been broke in, It would been a different story, I agree 100%, when I ran them the Camaro had less than 100 miles...

and? while there is some "break-in" with these cars, there have been a handful on the fast list that ran the car straight to the track with minimal miles

Originally Posted by sweaver

There is a video on the homepage of my car, Title says Livernois nearly breaks tens, I don't have time to find it right now,
As far as mods, TVS 2300, cam,cnc ported heads,Ported lower manifold,Kooks headers with corsa catback, Roto Fab,smaller pulley with fuel upgrades, Getting ready for 418 stroker!

ooooh, thats your car? NOICE.

[djm96z28]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

It's a crap shoot, I bought a 96 Z28 with 130,000 that ran like a raped ape. Before that I had a 96 T/A with 96,000 miles that ran like crap. It all comes down to maintenance of the previous owners.

Don't underestimate the LT1. I just don't believe the new V6 can take an LT1.

[Chris@Livernois]

Originally Posted by sweaver

There is a video on the homepage of my car, Title says Livernois nearly breaks tens, I don't have time to find it right now,

The direct link to the video on youtube can be found here

ooooohhhhhhhh a blown, cammed 418 will be awesome

-Rick

[sweaver]

Originally Posted by Rick@Livernois

The direct link to the video on youtube can be found here

ooooohhhhhhhh a blown, cammed 418 will be awesome

-Rick

Ya, So tell Andy lets get on this!
Thanks for the link,

[0-60n4.6]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

The reason why people think LS1 SS' are faster than 5th gen SS' is because the 5th gens weren't broken in when people put them up against 4th gen when they first came out. As with an LS engine the LS3 needs about 2500 miles to wake up. The 5th gen will easily walk a 4th gen LS1 either stock for stock or mod for mod. I ran a 12.7 with nothing more than a tune and CAI, show me a 4th gen that will do that and trap over 110 mph. For reference my nephew went to the same track the same day with my in his 99 Z28 with free mods, MTI lid, Ported TB and cat-back and was running 13.2's all day. He also had better 60's. That being said a V6 5th gen can't touch an LS1, but an LT1 might be a different story. If it has hard miles and isn't modded correctly the V6 may edge it out.

your comparing a CAI and Tune 2010 ss to a ported TB "very stock" ls1...haha dude the cai and tune gave you around 20-25 rwhp with much better Throttle response and better shift points if you have an Auto with all that said i promise you that cai and tune droped you .2-.3 in the 1/4

[0-60n4.6]

I ran a 12.8 3 weeks ago at Dallas raceway with a 2.1 60ft time 8.5 1/8 and a 104 TS...you have almost the same mods as i do black5thgen minus my 390 gears so i wouldnt be tooo proud of that 12.7 i mean come on i have a SMALL 4.6 rem

[Sword5]

My 93 Z28 has 91,000 miles. Moroso CAI, Flowmaster Exhaust and Super chip added. She will run pretty well, never taken her to the track but she's cleaned a few mustang clocks. Would like to run it against my 2SS.