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Old 04-19-2009, 08:46 AM   #1
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Chevy Vs Ford Debate

I noticed something interesting

When Import guys and Muscle guys debate about who has better cars the arguement is always Imports can't make fast N/A cars and Muscle Cars have to have Large engines to go fast.

The funny thing is the debate between the Ford boys and us Chevy Boys is the same thing. Chevy guys say ford cant make fast cars with a N/A motor. And The ford boys say Chevy has to use a larger engine to get that power. Just thought that was a funny observation...any thoughts?
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:16 PM   #2
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I noticed something interesting

When Import guys and Muscle guys debate about who has better cars the arguement is always Imports can't make fast N/A cars and Muscle Cars have to have Large engines to go fast.

The funny thing is the debate between the Ford boys and us Chevy Boys is the same thing. Chevy guys say ford cant make fast cars with a N/A motor. And The ford boys say Chevy has to use a larger engine to get that power. Just thought that was a funny observation...any thoughts?
It's a stupid argument to say ford can't make a good NA engine. And it's stupid to say Chevy needs more displacement. Both companies are very capable. They choose different ways for different reasons. Look at the Australian line of 5.4's, the engines put out over 420 HP, just like the LS3's. And Chevy did supercharge their Corvette to run with the Viper, which had a huge advantage because of their displacement.
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:59 PM   #3
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Yeah, it's a dumb argument. HP is HP. My only gripe with FI is decreased longevity on the internals. I'd take a 500 NA engine over its' FI 500 HP counterpart anyday.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:06 PM   #4
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I've owned Chevys and Fords, and I like both. To limit yourself to one brand is simply to limit yourself.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:06 PM   #5
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Yeah, it's a dumb argument. HP is HP. My only gripe with FI is decreased longevity on the internals. I'd take a 500 NA engine over its' FI 500 HP counterpart anyday.
The only engines I've seen with decreased longevity from FI is from engines not designed for FI from the factory. There are 450rwhp+ 03/04 Cobras crossing the 150,000 mile range now and even a couple past 200,000. Longevity isn't the issue, it's decent tuning.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:22 PM   #6
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people choose not to be on the same page and keep arguing, people will say FI is "cheating" and people will say "just a hug engine" is cheating, it's not cheating its manufacturing a performance car, get over it...

who cares how they get the horsepower... people will say solid rear axles are old and archaic, and you can also say a pushrod engine is old and archaic,

for ever point there is one against it, it will never end. hopefully some people open their eyes and realize we are driving fords and chevys not ferrari's and lamborghini's...
(even though the fanboys and die hard kool-aid drinkers will damn near say the quality of their chosen car tops ferrari/lamborghini lol)
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:24 PM   #7
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Old rivalry

I think some of these rivalries go back a generation or two or three
As someone said, both companies have made great products. That said, those ford guys are crazy if they think ford can take The General, even in his weakened condition
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I just don't see why Chevy, Ford, and Dodge don't get together and take out all the rice burners with fart cans.


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Stupid argument.





Now if they are talking about a high revving engine....
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:10 PM   #10
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well chevy uses 3.6 liters to get 304, ford uses 4.6 to get 315.
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:32 PM   #11
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The only engines I've seen with decreased longevity from FI is from engines not designed for FI from the factory. There are 450rwhp+ 03/04 Cobras crossing the 150,000 mile range now and even a couple past 200,000. Longevity isn't the issue, it's decent tuning.
Generally true, *cough* Mazda RX7 *cough*

I've seen examples of factory produced FI engines that just simply have more reliability issues. You're introducing more stress on the engine and you've got to have the design prowess and therefore the backbone designed for the application. It's just yet another potential Fix Or Repair Daily
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well chevy uses 3.6 liters to get 304, ford uses 4.6 to get 315.
Whats the point?
GM also has the DOHC NorthStar (4.6) that only makes 292 hp.
And Ford has a 275 hp V6 as well without DI, which if/when it recieves it I'm sure will make over 300 hp as well. And their V6 ecotec makes over 350 hp.


In the end they can all make engines basically of equal caliber. This debate is stupid.
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:31 AM   #13
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oh im not saying the debate isnt stupid because i know it is.
im just saying i see all the chevy/ford fanboys and the muscle/import fanboys saying the same shit
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I've owned Chevys and Fords, and I like both. To limit yourself to one brand is simply to limit yourself.
very well said!
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