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Old 08-04-2008, 02:15 PM   #1
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What will it take to beat the Gt-R!

Is there a way to modify the camaro to beat the skyline...what engine and mods would be needed?

it makes me sick...that a freakin nissan....beat the zo6 on a track...

gm...that is not acceptable...something must be done...

I want my freaking bragging rights...

the last thing we need is the ricer crowd laughing at the vette!!

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Old 08-04-2008, 02:21 PM   #2
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Is there any way? Sure, but it will cost you. Just like it will cost the Nissan buyer more than it will the Chevy buyer.

I don't think you have to worry about the ricers laughing at the Vette.

Understand, Nissan took it's best shot to date and finally beat the Z06....admirable yes, but they did it while GM was bringing out the ZR1 (okay, the cost issue swings back to Nissan's favor here, but not by a lot). Oops. Nissan's bragging rights lasted about an hour. Don't worry, GM is back on top there.

As always, if someone has enough money, you can make anything faster. Not really comparing apples to apples then are we? I mean the F430 Scuderia is faster around the track than a Miata, but you can buy almost 10 of the Mazda for one of the Ferraris. Not a fair comparison.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:23 PM   #3
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I would like to see what the Z0' would run on ZR1 tires...
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:24 PM   #4
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The Camaro will need significant upgrades to beat the GT-R. Its not in the same class, nor does it pretend to be. The ZR-1 just posted a better time on the ring than the GT-R's best time, but then again, the GT-R V-Spec will be released next year. So the saga continues. The key point is we shouldn't hate on the GT-R or even be upset about its performance. The bottom line is that they have raised the bar for performance in a 70k car (and yes they will eventually sell for MSRP or less once all the dust settles) and for that reason alone, all performance enthusiasts should be thanking Nissan.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:24 PM   #5
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what is the price difference of the zr1's and skylines?

and yeh i guess the camaro will be competing with 350's,mustangs,challengers,and probably some bmw's
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:25 PM   #6
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The GT-R is not a ricer. It represents some of the best Nissan has to offer.

Do you think the German engineering crowd or the Italian sports car crowd is laughing at the Corvette? They don't care what it runs. They just want to compete in their markets. The Skyline isn't in America, so we won't be seeing any Corvette-Skyline showdowns anytime soon.

As far as modifications are concerned, I recommend starting with the closest car to the Skyline before aiming to pass it. Otherwise, your goals are too high and you risk endangering your vehicle with excessive modding.

Starting with the Z06, you could feasibly twin-turbo the LS7 and add supplemental bolt-ons—intake, exhaust, headers—to bring that 505-hp machine to around 650 hp. Lowering the ride may add some aerodynamics. Also, considering some traction-related enhancements, like additional mounts, may help get more power to the driver. These are all just suggestions.

As I said before, a Camaro would have to be done carefully because the target car is too high of a target. To start, an engine swap may be necessary. It's not worth blowing up your Camaro to beat a car that's not even in the US.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:25 PM   #7
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The Camaro will need significant upgrades to beat the GT-R. Its not in the same class, nor does it pretend to be. The ZR-1 just posted a better time on the ring than the GT-R's best time, but then again, the GT-R V-Spec will be released next year. So the saga continues. The key point is we shouldn't hate on the GT-R or even be upset about its performance. The bottom line is that they have raised the bar for performance in a 70k car (and yes they will eventually sell for MSRP or less once all the dust settles) and for that reason alone, all performance enthusiasts should be thanking Nissan.
good point...this will force chevy to beat it at that price range...
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:26 PM   #8
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Is there a way to modify the camaro to beat the skyline...what engine and mods would be needed?

it makes me sick...that a freakin nissan....beat the zo6 on a track...

gm...that is not acceptable...something must be done...

I want my freaking bragging rights...

the last thing we need is the ricer crowd laughing at the vette!!
They don't have sheet to laugh at. It is my understanding that in order to run the times they had at the 'Ring, one had to turn off the stability system and whatnot, which a customer WON'T be able to do because the owner's manual says it will void the warranty. I wouldn't fret too much. You don't have to pull off the supercharger belt on a ZR1 or disable four cylinders on the Z0' in order to keep your warranty
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:27 PM   #9
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If the often rumored replacement of the LS7 with the LSA comes to pass, another 45 hp will not hurt either, but my GUESS would be the LSA is probably a little heavier than the LS7.....I agree, pushing each other back and forth is a good thing, it makes everyone better....
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:31 PM   #10
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If the often rumored replacement of the LS7 with the LSA comes to pass, another 45 hp will not hurt either, but my GUESS would be the LSA is probably a little heavier than the LS7.....I agree, pushing each other back and forth is a good thing, it makes everyone better....
I've been thinking something similar. I know that LLN speculated the LS8 was going to be the replacement for the LS7, but I don't understand why GM would want to develop so many different variations on the same engine. Why not use the LSA?! If they're scared it will take something away from the CTS-V, change the pulley and tune, and call it a day! They could probably do the same for a top dog Camaro, but I can only continue praying...
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I've been thinking something similar. I know that LLN speculated the LS8 was going to be the replacement for the LS7, but I don't understand why GM would want to develop so many different variations on the same engine. Why not use the LSA?! If they're scared it will take something away from the CTS-V, change the pulley and tune, and call it a day! They could probably do the same for a top dog Camaro, but I can only continue praying...
From SOME of what I have read, the LS8 is basically what you are talking about, and those articles were all written before the recent cutbacks in things like V8 development, so it may well come to pass that the LSA just moves over essentially as is, and THAT may actually be a good thing....
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:42 PM   #12
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Why are you comparing a $30,000 car to a $70,000 car? I mean does this make any sense at all? This whole notion is rather ridiculous. You are getting a Corvette inspired 420 horsepower V8 engine in a ~$30,000 car and you are talking about something priced double as much? BTW The GT-R is as much a "skyline" as the Z06 is a base Corvette. Use proper terminology.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:50 PM   #13
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personally i hate civics, mazdas etc.. but i think the nissian 350z, skyline, and gtr should all be respected. remember your buying a camaro from anywhere to low $30k to maybe even $50k for the most balls out one(hopefully the Z28!!) these cars start at at least $70k. the corvette is the highest tier in the food chain where the other big dogs like the gtr is. the camaro is lower. it would make more sense just to buy a ZO6 if you want to beat some nissians like them lol.
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Why are you comparing a $30,000 car to a $70,000 car? I mean does this make any sense at all? This whole notion is rather ridiculous. You are getting a Corvette inspired 420 horsepower V8 engine in a ~$30,000 car and you are talking about something priced double as much? BTW The GT-R is as much a "skyline" as the Z06 is a base Corvette. Use proper terminology.
yea man u get the point here.
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