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1) Its hideous 2) Its still several years out. Its supposed to come out around the same time as Tesla's Model 3 I think that until then I'll just get a new muscle car, drive that while gas is cheap, then relegate that to weekend car when the electrics from Chevy and Tesla arrive. Quote:
Also, car companies don't survive by building "properly track credentialed" cars. They survive off of volume models like the base Camaros, Cruzes, and Malibus. I know that a 2.0T Camaro won't get any better gas mileage in real world driving than the V6 will, but people sure do love buying those things. The 2.0T also allows them to sell at a more attractive price in places that tax by displacement, further increasing volume. You sound like one of the Porsche owners that complains about the Macan and Cayenne, even though the cash from those volume models allows for development of new 911s and the 918. The 2.0T four cylinder is going to be the bread and butter for GM. They love performance cars, but they like cars they can sell to the masses even more, which is exactly what the 2.0T car is. That engine virtually ensures a future for the Camaro nameplate. |
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Not trying to be mean, but you really have no grasp or concept of how vehicles are positioned in the market. Camaro is not a Corvette. It's supposed to be affordable. It has to reach a mid-20s entry price point in order to make the business case viable. If GM was only going to build $50k performance cars they would just say screw it and kill off Camaro. Corvette is a better car anyways. No back seat you say? Fine, buy an SS. Even has rear doors to help you get into the back row easier. Positioning Camaro at the same pricing level as Corvette will kill the nameplate. End of story. You just don't get it.
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Also not saying the Camaro should be priced the same as a Corvette, just not be sold as a entry level vehicle and resources diverted to support that market. Should GM sell 4 and 6 cylinder Corvettes to raise sales volumes?. Good discussion guys. I am out at this point but will follow your comments.
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This is for the 2014 Model Year...
Total Production (includes Non-saleable, MVB, CTF, and all Retail/Fleet Markets) 97,632 Production for U.S. 89,377 Production for Canada 3,029 Production for Mexico 1,386 Export 3,840 POWERTRAINS 3.6L SIDI DOHC 323 HP V6 LFX 71,481 6.2L SFI V8 w/Active Fuel Mgmt 400 HP (SS) L99 15,006 6.2L SFI V8 w/o Active Fuel Mgmt 426HP (SS) LS3 8,194 6.2L Supercharged V8 580HP (ZL1) LSA 2,436 LS7 Z/28 Engine LS7 515 .....About 70% of sales are V-6...Hard to tell how many preferred a V-6 or were just trying to get a better price overall....Just sayin' a 4cyl would probably add to sales numbers whether by itself or if offered along with a V-6.... |
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As I look at these numbers, how sure are we that the new Camaro will have the same engine for the auto and the manual?
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I've heard the manual trans may be gone eventually....If the new automatics get better mileage the manual's days could be numbered....Or it will turn into the expensive option...lol....auto standard, manual optional.....who knows....
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02-20-2015, 01:49 PM | #135 |
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The new LT1 is paired with the manual in the Vette. Safe to assume they will not made a special motor this time to differentiate between manual and auto. Pretty sure the L99 came about to prevent the GG tax on the auto.
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Someone correct me if I have this wrong, but don't all new LT1s include AFM? If so, what has changed to allow them to be paired with manual transmissions?
I found this article here (http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...nsmission.html) on GMHighTechPerformance.com. It states: Quote:
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I believe the Corvette's for the first time this year have AFM with a manual trans....You must be in ECO mode to have AFM engaged....other modes do not have AFM....
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Maybe that new Tula Dynamic Skip Fire ECU thingy can ease AFM eco mode on more gently? |
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We don't know if the LT-1 in the manual Camaros will even have AFM, or driving modes similar to Corvette.... How well the AFM works in the Vette's, or what it feels like, I couldn't tell you.... |
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