Why 5.0 are faster?

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

2013 Base GT Auto full weight-> CAI, Xpipe, Tune, Slim DRs, + great driving = 11.9 - 1.8 60' 3 out of 5 on a good DA night.

That's actually shitty as I did better in my manual on stock wheels and tires. However if your buddy adds a stall he will be running 11.4s with nothing changed.

[Pro Stock John]

I'm not sure what slim DR's are, are you saying skinnies and drag radials out back?

At similar raceweights an L99 car can run the same I'd say. The two L99 guys on here who went 11.4's did so with a bunch of weight out of the cars (seats, skinnies). I would think that the GT's are going lighter maybe 3650-3700 with skinnies and seats out.

Tim on here went 11.9@115 with 3.70 (auto car), slicks, skinnies, bolt-ons, seats in, and stock converter.

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

I'm not sure what slim DR's are, are you saying skinnies and drag radials out back?

At similar raceweights an L99 car can run the same I'd say. The two L99 guys on here who went 11.4's did so with a bunch of weight out of the cars (seats, skinnies). I would think that the GT's are going lighter maybe 3650-3700 with skinnies and seats out.

Tim on here went 11.9@115 with 3.70 (auto car), slicks, skinnies, bolt-ons, seats in, and stock converter.

Please realize that basic bolt on 5.0 on a true drag wheel set up and removed seats have hit 10.7-10.8 at 123-126mph.

[Pro Stock John]

Yep, real big converters and race gas tunes. Not on pump gas. Not the one I'm familiar with. I'm talking like 4000-4600 stall.

I'm not a hater, I owned 5 Mustangs and 6 Camaros. I just like GM more. But I've done all I could to drop weight out of the car without it looking stripped. Just a simple daily driver.

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Yep, real big converters and race gas tunes. Not on pump gas. Not the one I'm familiar with. I'm talking like 4000-4600 stall.

I'm not a hater, I owned 5 Mustangs and 6 Camaros. I just like GM more. But I've done all I could to drop weight out of the car without it looking stripped. Just a simple daily driver.

Actually on pump gas (e85) and 3200 stalls

[Pro Stock John]

Yeah.

The cars are tuned for max performance on E85, and I know guys who have run high 7's on E85 in the 1/4. That's a big power gain.

On 92 pump I would think they'd run 11.4-11.5.

Do you have a Mustang too Novi1LE what does yours run?

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Yeah.

The cars are tuned for max performance on E85, and I know guys who have run high 7's on E85 in the 1/4. That's a big power gain.

On 92 pump I would think they'd run 11.4-11.5.

Do you have a Mustang too Novi1LE what does yours run?

I traded in my 2012 Manual 5.0 with 3.31 gears for the 1LE

I ran an 11.7 @ 121 with mine at full weight on stock 235 all season tires and wheels.

Mods:
CAI
Catless X-pipe
After Market mufflers
Boss Intake Manifold
Pump 93 tune
Upper Control arm and mount, lower control arms.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

I'm not sure what slim DR's are, are you saying skinnies and drag radials out back?

At similar raceweights an L99 car can run the same I'd say. The two L99 guys on here who went 11.4's did so with a bunch of weight out of the cars (seats, skinnies). I would think that the GT's are going lighter maybe 3650-3700 with skinnies and seats out.

Tim on here went 11.9@115 with 3.70 (auto car), slicks, skinnies, bolt-ons, seats in, and stock converter.

Sorry I was not clear. I don't remember the size but the MT DRs look skinny and are low profile. If he leaves at anything but idle he spins. So the 1.8s are the norm.

My friend runs Tim's time if I remember the MPH at 116+ with only those mods I listed at stock weight. No gears, skinnies, and no LTs. His goal was 11s with a minimum of mods. A converter is overkill to him. On a good DA night he will run consistent 11.9s. But he is getting bored with that. So he might add the convertor, LTs, Boss manifold, and bigger DRs to go for 10s.

Agreed its all about weight. But mod for mod the Mustang GT 2011+ is faster than a 5th gen SS. That is why 5.0s are faster. The engines each have advantages over the other, but in the end arrive at just about the same place. Although I think the LS engines can handle really big FI power a little better than 302s. Just my opinion.

But isn't it fun to beat a faster car with a slower one? That is why mine is a Camaro SS M6.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by Novie LE

I traded in my 2012 Manual 5.0 with 3.31 gears for the 1LE

I ran an 11.7 @ 121 with mine at full weight on stock 235 all season tires and wheels.

Mods:
CAI
Catless X-pipe
After Market mufflers
Boss Intake Manifold
Pump 93 tune
Upper Control arm and mount, lower control arms.

Didn't I meet you at Atco? Maybe it was someone else. How does your 1LE run in the 1/4?

[Pro Stock John]

I have respect for this local manual trans GT guy that has gone 11.3-11.4, but it's about the only non-power adder Mustang I've seen run that good.

I think I can run 11.8 without skinnies and stripping the car, we'll see when the local tracks open. After that I'll do the ghetto weight reduction.

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Didn't I meet you at Atco? Maybe it was someone else. How does your 1LE run in the 1/4?

Yes we met at ATCO when my car was a week old. I got 3 runs and left early cause it has horrible. My best run was my frist run ever with the car and it was 13.1 @ 110. I think on the second run I wheel hoped so much that i missed a shift and on the third run the tires just let loose in second ruining the run. It was a cold night and as you know the Goodyears turn into plastic trays at those temps. Have not been back since and most likely won't be back as I bought the 1LE for Autox/Track days.

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

I have respect for this local manual trans GT guy that has gone 11.3-11.4, but it's about the only non-power adder Mustang I've seen run that good.

I think I can run 11.8 without skinnies and stripping the car, we'll see when the local tracks open. After that I'll do the ghetto weight reduction.

My buddy has seen high 10's with no power adders in his 13 M6 with full suspension dr's, driveshaft swap and full boltons. 5.0's are ****in sick.

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Sorry I was not clear. I don't remember the size but the MT DRs look skinny and are low profile. If he leaves at anything but idle he spins. So the 1.8s are the norm.

My friend runs Tim's time if I remember the MPH at 116+ with only those mods I listed at stock weight. No gears, skinnies, and no LTs. His goal was 11s with a minimum of mods. A converter is overkill to him. On a good DA night he will run consistent 11.9s. But he is getting bored with that. So he might add the convertor, LTs, Boss manifold, and bigger DRs to go for 10s.

Agreed its all about weight. But mod for mod the Mustang GT 2011+ is faster than a 5th gen SS. That is why 5.0s are faster. The engines each have advantages over the other, but in the end arrive at just about the same place. Although I think the LS engines can handle really big FI power a little better than 302s. Just my opinion.

But isn't it fun to beat a faster car with a slower one? That is why mine is a Camaro SS M6.

Ford's "aluminator" 302 can handle huge power.

[Pro Stock John]

Yep, no way one of you MN6 guys is gonna leave the line at 6,000 rpms.

Have fun guys, screw Mustangs I'm out. I just like to race them not gush on about them.