Mustangs................

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

The official news for the 2011 Mustang...(Well official as it gets before the Detroit show)



So there you have it 412/390 Tq. With aluminium block, I do not see a whole lot of weight gain. Also the forge insides. Good move on Ford part indeed. Also with the track pack basically a standard option and along with the Brembo option, I would say Ford has loaded up both barrels against our GM brethren.

Dodge ? Ohhhh Dodge !

Weight gain may not come from the engine, the block is aluminum but you're adding 2 more cams. Also I'm not seeing forged internals, just crank. High performance pistons and rods can mean any thing. I still see the car coming in around 3,650 lbs. With 390 TQ, we'll see.

[Mblock66]

The problem is that GM is not going to just up the camaro HP and TQ power ratings without upping the vette first (or at least at the same time) there will never be a standard V8 camaro making more power then thier flagship. The other thing that people aren't taking into account is gearing.

Right now the SS has pretty poor gearing that is on the side of MPG rather then all out performance. If GM were to offere AT LEAST 3.73s it would help compete if the GT has poor gearing for MPG too.

I could see GM doing some small tweaking to get the LS3 to like 440HP and putting better gears in. That should be enough to stay on top

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Weight gain may not come from the engine, the block is aluminum but you're adding 2 more cams. Also I'm not seeing forged internals, just crank. High performance pistons and rods can mean any thing. I still see the car coming in around 3,650 lbs. With 390 TQ, we'll see.

Especially if the HP and TQ curves are not flat and peak way up over 6K RPMs. They claim 25MPG, so the stock gearing may not be there.

I bet that we're going to end up with a car that magazine A will test 0.1 to 0.2 seconds faster than a stock SS and magazine B will test 0.1 to 0.2 seconds slower than a stock SS. Ford is likely to produce advertising numbers 0.1 seconds faster then the SS advertised # as well with (of course) no way to verify it.

I also predict the mustang will have problems with wheelspin in stock form.

[chappy48]

Looks like it already has good exhaust headers from the factory too. Minimal gains from aftermarket headers like the SRT8's I'd assume then.

And the current gt weighs in around 3400lbs. Don't see how some upgraded safety features and a slightly larger engine would add anywhere close to 400lbs.

Edit: I'm referring to the apparently bloated edmunds.com numbers here.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Mblock66

The problem is that GM is not going to just up the camaro HP and TQ power ratings without upping the vette first (or at least at the same time) there will never be a standard V8 camaro making more power then thier flagship. The other thing that people aren't taking into account is gearing.

Right now the SS has pretty poor gearing that is on the side of MPG rather then all out performance. If GM were to offere AT LEAST 3.73s it would help compete if the GT has poor gearing for MPG too.

I could see GM doing some small tweaking to get the LS3 to like 440HP and putting better gears in. That should be enough to stay on top

There's a link on the first or second page of this thread to a mustang forum where some guy posted his order for a 2011 and it has 3.73's listed as an option.

Also, reading that article they brag a lot about the new motor having "Aftermarket style heads" and "aftermarket style tuned headers" (or something to that effect). This stuff sounds like the cost is going to go up on this car. No matter what they say.

[Mblock66]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

There's a link on the first or second page of this thread to a mustang forum where some guy posted his order for a 2011 and it has 3.73's listed as an option.

Also, reading that article they brag a lot about the new motor having "Aftermarket style heads" and "aftermarket style tuned headers" (or something to that effect). This stuff sounds like the cost is going to go up on this car. No matter what they say.

Ok so the gearing may be there if they chose the option. But to my initial point of "Oh GM will just answer with more HP in the camaro"

It isn't that easy. They won't make a 450HP camaro and at 430HP vette. So you usually see the increase in the vette a year or two before the camaro. I don't think GM will be doing anything but gearing option for 2011 and MAYBE you will see a "breathing" HP update for 2012 giving the car 10-15 HP

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Diabel1969

MOST owners of them really can't drive worth a crap... .

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

x1000000000000000000

[stryker755]

Originally Posted by 81z28355

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/17/2...v8/1#c24022740

Camaro will have its hands full next year.

Consider this:

If not for GM stepping up and putting a real motor in the Camaro, Ford would still be putting out thunderous 315HP V8 Stangs. You're Welcome.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by TJ91

The 2011 stang is a great buy, great price and finally some good engines.

First off, how can you say it's a great buy when no one knows what the MSRP will be?

Second, the 3v 4.6 is a great engine. It puts out 315 hp, which is very good for a small v8. It also takes to mods very well. While Ford had to up the ante to keep up with the 5th gen Camaros, the 2005-10 GTs are no slouches.

[Design1stCode2nd]

Aww man now I can't outrun GT's in the dry, well at least when it rains or snows I'll be OK.

We all knew this was coming, not a big fan of the exterior although I like the GT500 and the new one will be a beast.

Good for Ford I say. And good for GM in pushing Ford to be competitive.

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Now that I read this car pretty much comes with factory headers it may be pretty much maxed out. Bolt-on's won't give much of a gain. You have to buy 4 cams instead of our 1

Exactly. These mustangs will not have much room for modding, where as its possible to get the 4.6 to nearly 400 Whp naturally. It's impressive, but i feel that it will not have a strong aftermarket.

I believe the 2011 gt will be a tenth or 2 faster then the camaro, however it will be like how the 09 s4 and the 09 335 are....the s4 is a tenth faster in 0-60 and 2 tenths faster in the quarter, but it has no room to mod (other then a full exhaust, not much potential) where as with a chip and downpipe, the 335 is in the 11's.

The modded battles will still be between the 4.6 s197 and 2010 gt, and the camaro ss. (like the 01-03 s4's with their turbo'ed sixes.)

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by stryker755

Consider this:

If not for GM stepping up and putting a real motor in the Camaro, Ford would still be putting out thunderous 315HP V8 Stangs. You're Welcome.

While you're at it you might want to thank Ford for your Camaro. And yes I do give credit to GM for the new Stang so thank's GM. Not that it matter's to me because I wont be buying either one.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

First off, how can you say it's a great buy when no one knows what the MSRP will be?

Second, the 3v 4.6 is a great engine. It puts out 315 hp, which is very good for a small v8. It also takes to mods very well. While Ford had to up the ante to keep up with the 5th gen Camaros, the 2005-10 GTs are no slouches.

I agree, until MSRP is out, it's going to be hard to say the '11 Mustang will be a great buy.

The 4.6 mod motor can be a beast, just like the 5.0 it replaced. The Cobra version in my mother-in-law's Lincoln is strong on top, a little weak on bottom, but that could be gearing. I've been wanting to "hotrod" that Lincoln since she bought her Charger.

It's in the v6 realm where Ford has lagged behind. Until the S H O anyway. (yes, I seperated it, it's not "show" to me, it's individual letters. Which sounds meaner anyway, lol.)